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PvE drone aggro fullproof resolution or fail as an mmo
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Ikshuki
Awoken Disintegration Fleet
#1 - 2013-01-07 07:14:14 UTC
What if instead of Changing NPC AI to target drones. They would just remove the aggression factor on drones so you have to activate them manually.This would remove the (sit and wait). In order to make all players earn their isk with hard work. Make drones effective again. I agree with the NPC Switching target. I disagree to the drones being targeted.

( Are the ships not balanced between weapons and drones ? )

what they have done with missions is once again ccp trying to put an empty gun to our heads and force us to do null incursions, but what ccp doesn't realize is, we already know the barrel is empty, and we casual players are the backbone of the eve market, it's why there's still 45,000 players online at any given time, if ccp doesn't take up this resolution, then by next expansion you can expect only 6,000 being online at any given time, so ccp your gun is very shiny and threatening, but i'm holding the self-destruct button and i can take us both out :)
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
#2 - 2013-01-07 08:59:12 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
What if instead of Changing NPC AI to target drones. They would just remove the aggression factor on drones so you have to activate them manually.This would remove the (sit and wait). In order to make all players earn their isk with hard work.
Confirming that repeatedly pressing F1 is hard work and Eve needs more of it.

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Make drones effective again.
I think they did that with the followup patch.

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it's why there's still 45,000 players online at any given time, if ccp doesn't take up this resolution, then by next expansion you can expect only 6,000 being online at any given time
I don't believe you even have 39,000 accounts. But on the off chance you actually do: can I has your stuffz?
Michael Loney
Skullspace Industries
#3 - 2013-01-07 16:48:48 UTC
Drone aggression is a good thing.

Two changes to make it better for the player:

1) Show when a drone is being targeted, make the 'Drones in space' bar flash with the individual drone highlighted.

This saves the drone and gives you a chance to get it home before it pops.


2) Show the background of the drone as a bar that fills up with 'aggression'. When full the drone will be targeted. ( I am sure this number exists in the code already )

This means you can tell what drone is in danger before it is targeted and possible switch targets so the aggression comes back to you.
Ikshuki
Awoken Disintegration Fleet
#4 - 2013-01-07 18:23:06 UTC
Michael Loney wrote:
Drone aggression is a good thing.

Two changes to make it better for the player:

1) Show when a drone is being targeted, make the 'Drones in space' bar flash with the individual drone highlighted.

This saves the drone and gives you a chance to get it home before it pops.


2) Show the background of the drone as a bar that fills up with 'aggression'. When full the drone will be targeted. ( I am sure this number exists in the code already )

This means you can tell what drone is in danger before it is targeted and possible switch targets so the aggression comes back to you.


still doesn't solve the issue of drones being targeted the moment you throw them out, from my experience, when the rats flashes yellow it normally means they have potential of switching targets to your drones, the problem is you can wait an hour for the rats to switch from flashing yellow to flashing red, but even when they all flash red, they'll still go after drones if your drones gets even close to a pack
Michael Loney
Skullspace Industries
#5 - 2013-01-07 19:24:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Loney
I agree that he number one hindrance with drones right now is the first sign of them being targeted is when they take damage. Currently if i deploy heavy drones, they are half dead before getting to the target.

It makes sense for the rats to target drones first, what do we do when you see a drone boat in PvP? Personally I take out his weapons first, hull later. If the drones are ECM than they are an even bigger threat as they prevent me from doing other things.

Fix it so we can better manage our drones and the understand the aggro they generate, then we can balance how / when they get targeted.

*EDIT*

As I understand it, the NPC AI hates ECM with a vengeance. Equipping a target painter or ECM module may help to keep them targeted on you. Not confirmed, just a thought.
Ikshuki
Awoken Disintegration Fleet
#6 - 2013-01-07 19:52:10 UTC
Michael Loney wrote:
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As I understand it, the NPC AI hates ECM with a vengeance. Equipping a target painter or ECM module may help to keep them targeted on you. Not confirmed, just a thought.



well maybe a noob would kill the drones in pvp, but every expert pvper knows you take out the ship first, kill the ship you kill the drones, drones are almost impossible to kill with standard weapons, the time it takes to kill the drones you'll already be dead, in pvp you should always know you kill the most dangerous ship first as quickly as possible or you're whole fleet is already dead, those who has the 1st tackle, are usually the ones that wins the fight
Lux0r
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-01-10 19:04:37 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
Michael Loney wrote:
I

As I understand it, the NPC AI hates ECM with a vengeance. Equipping a target painter or ECM module may help to keep them targeted on you. Not confirmed, just a thought.



well maybe a noob would kill the drones in pvp, but every expert pvper knows you take out the ship first, kill the ship you kill the drones, drones are almost impossible to kill with standard weapons, the time it takes to kill the drones you'll already be dead, in pvp you should always know you kill the most dangerous ship first as quickly as possible or you're whole fleet is already dead, those who has the 1st tackle, are usually the ones that wins the fight



uh... what?!

Lets see here so I'm supposed to let their ecm drones jam me out so I can't shoot them. I'm supposed to let the carrier i've tackled kill me before reinforcements get there. I'm supposed to not kill their drones as I'm kiting them to do just that and bring their dps down to near nil.

Right got it... I'm now an expert PvP'er...

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