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The Tuskers Present - Frigate FFA Tournament ROUND 2 - 5th January - 18:00 to 24:00

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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#141 - 2013-01-06 04:54:36 UTC  |  Edited by: AkJon Ferguson
I came. I sniped. I killed lots of folks. I lacked good bookmarks (and top belt got laggy as hell with so many wrecks.) I died several times. It was fun.

I hope the long-range damping whores (who were just there to get on killmails and contributed nothing to the fights) don't get any prizes. I don't think whoring mails is what this event should be about.

I didn't care for the bit at the end where everyone fleeted up and shot at Sully's target. It seemed incongruous with the theme of the event. Imo the kills after about 23:50 should be tossed.

The logistics were pretty godawful and I'd have been pissed if I'd contracted stuff over and not gotten it back at least half an hour before the event. Luckily I just hauled my **** to the hi-sec 2 jumps away and didn't have to deal with that.

Still, great event, 9/10.
Ang Min
CPD Adventures Pte. Ltd.
#142 - 2013-01-06 10:50:54 UTC
AkJon Ferguson wrote:
I came. I sniped. I killed lots of folks. I lacked good bookmarks (and top belt got laggy as hell with so many wrecks.) I died several times. It was fun.

I hope the long-range damping whores (who were just there to get on killmails and contributed nothing to the fights) don't get any prizes. I don't think whoring mails is what this event should be about.

I didn't care for the bit at the end where everyone fleeted up and shot at Sully's target. It seemed incongruous with the theme of the event. Imo the kills after about 23:50 should be tossed.

The logistics were pretty godawful and I'd have been pissed if I'd contracted stuff over and not gotten it back at least half an hour before the event. Luckily I just hauled my **** to the hi-sec 2 jumps away and didn't have to deal with that.

Still, great event, 9/10.


I share your sentiments, though I would rate it 7/10 overall. Aside from the logistics issues, there was a real problem with people not following the rules, especially later in the night. Station/gate fighting, podding, fleet fighting/boosting, etc. all took away from the spirit of the event. I got podded at around 23:00 with still about 50 ships in the station that I would've loved to give out to folks who were still asking for more ships in local, but by the time I flew back from Metropolis, the thing would be over.

I have some ideas of how to improve this kind of thing, which I'll post separately. Was a good time overall, and glad I participated, but I wouldn't do it again without some changes.

Cheers!
Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#143 - 2013-01-06 10:52:12 UTC
Thoroughly enjoyed myself.

Event was much bigger than the first round, but didnt lose anything in that.

Plenty of folks on comms, lots of fun and games with the "efamous" chasing each other around and so on.

Biggest + of the night for me - all the eager newbies who came along and really got into it. Great to see folks not being ascurred of PVP.
Johnny Twelvebore
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#144 - 2013-01-06 11:59:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Twelvebore
Glad most people had a great time. I spent most of the evening handing out ships and then occasionally going nuts in a t1 fit frigate when my eyes went too googly from clicking trade windows:)

I think we achieved the aim of getting lots of newer players shooting stuff so it counts as a success but to those of you who are complaining about "rules" being broken and suchlike I have to say that we were in lowsec - there are no rules but what you enforce. We can advise rules for the event (and the vast majority went with them) but this is eve and you will always have people who will pod etc. The solution is not to complain to us (especially since we were pretty busy fitting and handing out thousands of frigs) but to shoot the buggers - everyone was in an armed ship and on comms so all you need to do is primary the podders then carry on.

This event may have given you a slightly rosy view of lowsec, we are all ebil flashy pirates and under any other circumstances will kill and pod anything we come across.

For the record we did have a few ships flying about blapping those we thought were ganging up or repeatedly podding people but there's only so much we can do. The best lesson to learn is once your ship pops to warp out quickly - if you do this then its actually pretty hard to loose a pod in lowsec (although I keep managing it).

Last of all remember - if you enjoyed the fighting then come back to visit us again. Bring guns:)




PS: Apologies to anyone who had problems with the containers. We had so many that we had to subcontract the hauling to a courier corp and they mixed the containers up. If you are out of pocket then get in touch and we will sort it out.

Bloody hell, another eve blog! http://johnnytwelvebore.wordpress.com
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#145 - 2013-01-06 14:45:00 UTC
Ang Min wrote:

Aside from the logistics issues, there was a real problem with people not following the rules, especially later in the night. Station/gate fighting, podding, fleet fighting/boosting, etc. all took away from the spirit of the event. I got podded at around 23:00 with still about 50 ships in the station that I would've loved to give out to folks who were still asking for more ships in local, but by the time I flew back from Metropolis, the thing would be over.

I anticipated that there'd be some of this. I transfered my clone and small stack of ships to the nearest medical facility I could find - three hops out. I transported a LOT of modules in to the target system itself. When I got popped in-system, my next hull was a fanged n00bship. If I got podded, I came back in a T1-fit Rifter. After blowing up in about 45M ISK worth of Rifters and Reapers (you need a LOT of Reapers to get that high!), I'd had enough fun. And it WAS fun. :)

Johnny Twelvebore wrote:

...to those of you who are complaining about "rules" being broken and suchlike I have to say that we were in lowsec - there are no rules but what you enforce. We can advise rules for the event (and the vast majority went with them) but this is eve and you will always have people who will pod etc. The solution is not to complain to us (especially since we were pretty busy fitting and handing out thousands of frigs) but to shoot the buggers - everyone was in an armed ship and on comms so all you need to do is primary the podders then carry on.

This event may have given you a slightly rosy view of lowsec, we are all ebil flashy pirates and under any other circumstances will kill and pod anything we come across.

For the record we did have a few ships flying about blapping those we thought were ganging up or repeatedly podding people but there's only so much we can do. The best lesson to learn is once your ship pops to warp out quickly - if you do this then its actually pretty hard to loose a pod in lowsec (although I keep managing it).

Last of all remember - if you enjoyed the fighting then come back to visit us again. Bring guns:)

Pretty much this. ^

Look through the forums and you'll find references to some 'shoot the dreadnought' or some such kind of event, where TEST and a few others showed up and pretty much pooped in the punchbowl. Frankly, I was anticipating that there'd be much of the same, this time - Didn't care, came prepapred.

About half my losses came from dessy gangs. Clearly, I'm not going to be able to compete on that level... Not with 9M SP and a T1-fit Rifter. So - I set about learning how to duck 'em, instead. Got pretty good at it, too. After that, my losses came when I had stopped to set my teeth into somone - You're a lot more vulrnerable when you're target-focused. Or, at least - I am. Blink


WILL be back - Guns hot.
Twisted
Six Apnea
Dirty Cupcake
#146 - 2013-01-06 14:50:11 UTC
Thanks for hosting the event. I got my ass handed to me but it was fun. I appreciate all the hard work that went into setting this up.
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#147 - 2013-01-06 15:56:53 UTC
Just going to respond to a few posts, but thanks for the general feedback guys! Next one will be in 2 months or so....

Leah Drynwhyl wrote:
DISCLAIMER: This is a whine post. And sorry for possible bad English.

Hi. I contracted a container with more than 130000m3 of stuff to Amoux Ganthier. When I logged in for the event he gave me two containers, one was empty and the other one had only 6 Tormentors and 2 Tristans. I asked him about it and he said that one of the haulers mistakenly repackaged some containers, so my ships/modules were mixed with those of 2-3 other players. He looked at the contract and after some time he managed to give back to me more than half of my stuff, I asked if I could have back the missing things before the end of the event because I couldn't use a lot of my fittings without those specific modules, but he said he had no time. Actually, I could have used the free ships I signed up for (although I didn't like how they were fitted), I could have modified my fittings to use the ships with the modules I had or I could have used the few fittings for which I had all the exact equip, but I was very frustrated because I spent a lot of time thinking of the fits I would use for the event and getting the exact number of ships and modules I needed, everything should have been ready so that for once i could have had continuous fun in this game without bothering about preparations/roaming/etc, instead I was spending most of my time in game counting my modules and listing to Amoux Ganthier the stuff I was missing, so I decided to log off after just two fights in badly fitted ships and disregard the event. I had lots of fun in the first FFA and was really looking forward to this edition. Hope i can actually have fun the next time. Ugh


Once again, I apologise for this. As I explained, due to the combination of high volume & high value, we had to outsource moving the pre-contracted containers of ships to Red Frog, who unfortunately accidently repackaged one of the contracts by accident. If we had not outsourced, we would have been looking at doing 15+ Freighter trips, which each take 40 jumps. Assuming 3 minutes per system (which is pretty generous given how slow Freighters are), that's 30 hours of hauling which is simply unacceptable. This courier contract was the only one that we had a problem with and we will reimburse people affected.

ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
got really exited about this event warped in to belt in a frig and started fighting a slasher then a tuskers vigilant landed and blapped me bit ****** wen u dont stick to ur rules tbh so im out


Learn to read, the rules clearly state that this was a Free-For-All event, if you and your corpmates decide to team up, we will be forced to "police" you. Yours was not the only gang we broke up.

Clementina wrote:
I think the Condor setup available could be improved. I'll recommend this. It is short range versus long range though. The magic is that the propulsion jamming mods cost very little cap, and the weapons cost none, so you can use the cap elsewhere.

3x rocket launchers
1x Energy Neutralizer

1x Microwarpdrive
1x Warp Scrambler
1x Stasis Webbifier
1x Target Painter

2x Ballistic Control System

2x Warhead Calefaction Catalyst


I deliberately made the Condors long range so that people could experience different playing styles. Also, note that we were under restrictions which are not normally in effect for PvP - trying to source 250+ energy neuts is really, really difficult - there's just not enough in Jita.

AkJon Ferguson wrote:
I didn't care for the bit at the end where everyone fleeted up and shot at Sully's target. It seemed incongruous with the theme of the event. Imo the kills after about 23:50 should be tossed.

The logistics were pretty godawful and I'd have been pissed if I'd contracted stuff over and not gotten it back at least half an hour before the event. Luckily I just hauled my **** to the hi-sec 2 jumps away and didn't have to deal with that.


Your feedback is appreciated but please try moving 17,000,000m3 of fitted containers/modules/ships before stating that the logistics were poor. Also keep in mind that we are a PvP corp and are not the best at logistics. The "shoot at what Sulei says" I came up with on the spot and thought it would be quite funny. If you didn't enjoy it, tough.

Ang Min wrote:
I share your sentiments, though I would rate it 7/10 overall. Aside from the logistics issues, there was a real problem with people not following the rules, especially later in the night. Station/gate fighting, podding, fleet fighting/boosting, etc. all took away from the spirit of the event. I got podded at around 23:00 with still about 50 ships in the station that I would've loved to give out to folks who were still asking for more ships in local, but by the time I flew back from Metropolis, the thing would be over.

I have some ideas of how to improve this kind of thing, which I'll post separately. Was a good time overall, and glad I participated, but I wouldn't do it again without some changes.

Cheers!


There were a few organised fleets out, but I think we got most of them (the SP-DR & FIGL gangs got driven off a few times, and we eliminated that AF gang). Which ones did we miss?

There were no boosting alts out in space beyond ours which we were using for our defence fleet. Did you see any other boosting alts (we had 2 Lokis if that helps....)

As Johny stated, we can try to reduce the amount of station/gate fighting & podkilling, but at the end of the day it's low sec and if people want to do it, they can. We did set up counter-camps on the stations & patrolled belts/gates looking for gangs & campers, not sure what else we could do with the amount of intel we had.

Thanks for the feedback guys, remember to post killmails at http://tuskersffa.rvbganked.co.uk/
Arianne Stone
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#148 - 2013-01-06 15:59:43 UTC
I had a great time. Lost. A ton of (mostly free) ships, and killed a bunch as well. Thank you very much for putting on the event, the logistics must have been a nightmare and providing me with lots of ships to lose. My only regret is that I didn't transport more of my ships to the system, when I fancied a change from t1 it was a bit of a slog to get one, but hey ho, one lives and learns. I was therefor the whole 6 hours and filmed quite a few fights, will knock together some kind of a compilation when I have a free minute, and my hand recovers from all the clicking last night. :D
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#149 - 2013-01-06 16:02:04 UTC
Hit the character limit for a post, so will continue here.

BIG, BIG thanks to the following people to allow this event to occur:

I Legionnaire - For the original 13B he gave The Tuskers
My fellow Tuskers - for handing out ships, for helping me haul in everything we needed & for helping me to police the event. In particular Azual, Johny and Volstrius did an amazing job!
Mangala from RvB - Thanks dude for setting up the event killboard & allowing us usage of their Mumble Server
Sindel from "The Angel Project" for donating 1B!
Red Frog for responding VERY quickly to help us with logistics
CCP Falcon for advertising the event on CCP's Facebook/Twitter/ingame log in screen, as well as showing up
That guy who hotdropped top belt at 0 with his Thanatos - that was fantastic!

Everyone else for attending!

Next one will be in ~2 months time and there are a few things we'll be improving.
Kronthar Lionkur
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2013-01-06 16:24:33 UTC

Many thanks to Suleiman Shouaa and The Tuskers for hosting this great event, with next edition already on the works I'll do my best to attend again and let me encourage everyone who missed it yesterday to join the crazy fun at the third one.
Johann West
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2013-01-06 16:54:37 UTC
A good event so well done for getting most of it right. I appreciate that you guys put a lot of time and ISK into putting on the show that you did. Certainly having free ships to hand out was extremely useful if the FFA chat channel was anything to go by. Good job on that part. But . . . I also put in time and planning too. I earned the ISK for my ships, worked out some new fits, bought the ships and mods in plenty of time and contracted the lot over to Amoux in plenty of time expecting to arrive at Jov to find a container with my name on it. I also went to some lenghts to make the time available in RL. So to not get my stuff until past 20:00 with less than an hour to go of the T1 frig section of the night sucked a bit. If something went on with Red Frog or whatever then meh, ok what can I say? But the bottom line for me was I missed most of the event because Amoux had my stuff and I could not get it back.

Like I say for most it was a great success, but I would suggest in future you simply don't offer logistics support if you can't take care of it. If I had ANY idea that you were not going to be able to shift the gear for me that you offered to I would of sorted out my own transport, no problem.

Ok so whine over. Thanks again for putting on the event, and cheers to the Tuskers who handed me a few free frigs so I could get out a couple of times earlier on in the evening. Also well played on the policing of the event, there was a few occasions when I warped to a planet only to think "Oh crap, there's a Cynabal here!!" On the third or fourth occasion I realized it was indeed "Officer Shouaa's" ship, it's threatening presence there as a warning to those who may choose to not abide by the spirit of the evening.

I'ts great to hear that there is going to be a third one soon, I'm looking forward to it already. Though err, I don't think I'll burden you with the task of haulage next time P

Johann
EasyPickingsOA
Priory Of The Lemon
Brave Collective
#152 - 2013-01-06 17:42:27 UTC
I could only stay upto the end of the T1 Frigs only bit, it was a great event, tyvm for all the ships/fun/kills and even the deaths Twisted Watching all those frigs suicide by smartbomb made me LOL.

Tuskers nice job, and TY all for all the kills :)
ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
Sedition.
#153 - 2013-01-06 18:33:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
sule i was on my own fighting a slasher so ya did read the rules u guys just needed excuses for a blap fest i get it so dont talk **** others from my corp may have been in a gang but it was evident i wasnt is easy to say theres more than 1 of u from ur corp ur ganging up now we blap u

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Ang Min
CPD Adventures Pte. Ltd.
#154 - 2013-01-06 19:26:11 UTC
Johnny Twelvebore: it's not hard to get podded in LS when you've got over 200 wrecks, drones & ships on grid and you're lagged to hell! :-) But I take the blame for forgetting to move my clone to a nearer station. I'm not really complaining about that anyway - I fought for nearly 5 hours before getting podded. Just regretted I couldn't get back in time to contribute my extra ships, and to join the finale.

Suleiman Shouaa: I didn't see any dedicated alt boosters in the form of command ships or anything, I was referring to those like the Talwar gang that fleeted up and primaried people...just being in a fleet gives a boost (provided the fleet booster has the skills), even without off grid boosters. I did see you guys policing this quite actively though, and appreciate that. In fact, I think you killed the guy who podded me. :)

I was thinking it might be good to hold this type of event in wormhole space instead of low sec, if you can find a good host. A C2 system with a static high sec exit (B274) would do nicely. You could bring ships in using Orcas or haulers (no worries about having to travel through low sec), and set up a friendly POS for refitting (Orcas can also be used for this). Fights could take place outside the POS, since registered participants would be set to blue...that way if any outsider showed up, or if someone broke a rule, they could be set to red and would be blasted by the POS guns. The wormhole can be cycled and will last 24 hours before collapsing (if B274 or similar), plenty of time to announce the location and get everyone in.

Some folks have previously suggested holding it in null sec, for the same reasons, but I think a w-space system is much easier to control, as far as access and security. Another advantage of both null sec and w-space is people won't lose security status for fighting.

If any interest in that idea, let me know - I can probably get the w-space system.

Cheers!
Kaalen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#155 - 2013-01-06 19:32:55 UTC
I had an enormous amount of fun yesterday, I even managed to make my way onto the leader boards during the two hours I was able to take part. I'll definitely be making an appearance next time!

One question, though: Is there any chance that you guys could run one of these events in nullsec? My security status hurts.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#156 - 2013-01-06 21:49:20 UTC
The problem with nullsec is people would be constantly bombing the belts
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#157 - 2013-01-06 22:45:22 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
The problem with nullsec is people would be constantly bombing the belts

Be entertaining to (not) watch bombers maneuvering to bomb other bombers...
Kommandohoran
Viziam
#158 - 2013-01-06 22:48:05 UTC
A+ event Sulei

I get the feeling many of the younger participants in this thread don't appreciate how ridiculous running logistics for this event must have been.
Concerning the rules violations, welcome to the sandbox. The Tuskers tried to provide a somewhat controlled environment for everyone to have fun in ,but this is lowsec. Dishonorable behavior should be expected.

Either way, I hope everyone had fun and that some of Eve's newer members have become interested in pvp.
Clementina
University of Caille
#159 - 2013-01-06 23:28:33 UTC
Suleiman Shouaa wrote:

I deliberately made the Condors long range so that people could experience different playing styles. Also, note that we were under restrictions which are not normally in effect for PvP - trying to source 250+ energy neuts is really, really difficult - there's just not enough in Jita.


I understand. I can recommend a Kestrel setup that is long range. I can't say anything about the provided Kestrel since I was never given one. I also don't want to ***** about logistics, If the modules aren't there though then the modules aren't there. From my standpoint the logistics were fine, I got more ships than I was entitled to (5 versus 0) and if it was me I would probably still be asleep in a freighter next to a station.

Kestrel

4x light missile launchers

2x target painters
1x microwarpdrive
1x warp disruptor

1x Ballistic Control System
1x Overdrive Injector System

1x Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst
1x Small Hydrologic Bay Thrusters
1x Small Auxiliary Thrusters

Can hit targets all the way to targeting range (60+km) in the hands of a highly skilled pilot and can hit to disruptor range in the hands of nearly anybody.

Hopefully I'll be able to see you guys in 2 months. Quick Question though, who is the winner? and what do they get? (Besides a boatload of killmails, some juicy, and some laughable in nature)
Jax Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#160 - 2013-01-07 02:16:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jax Haklar
I had a ton of fum here. This was my first time in PVP amd it sure won't be the last. Although I doubt that I would have gotten killed so much if I was using my own stuff.. Hell if I had to use my own hull(yes singular) it would have been the end of an evening quite fast.

My corp's ceo was following the ffa killboard at one time and suddenly told me in corp chat that I was the top loser with about 27 deaths. When I heard that I couldn't help but laugh.

Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to check out pvp. I did get a few kills in the end and it was rather funny that everytime I thought I would finally win in a 1v1 I got my ass handed to me.

The Thanatos in the belt was pretty damn sweet and I even got in on the Obelisk's kill mail.. Swiped in to the can too amd got out with 8m in loot xD

All in all a good time and loved the fact that there were free fitted ships. Lot's of love for the Tuskers<3

Edit add:
Think I left about an hour after the destroyers were allowed.. Can only fly minnie ships and I mostly got one hitted in a slasher by them so after a while the fun was out of it so I quit. Still loved every minute of it and made me wish I had some destroyers to throw atit too... Next time!