EVE General Discussion

It's been the foundation for pretty much all of them, so yes.

Primary is another name for this right ?

Exactly, though in this case with some additional aggression and priority.

Before: "Hey that guy is healing way too fast! Hmm, there is frail, one-shot-kill logi ship right next to it. Guess that's my new target!"

After: "That guy is healing way too fast! Hmm, there is a frail, one-shot-kill logi ship 20,000m behind it and out of my weapon range. Crap!"

I approve. Remember, the Exequor always had the +500% range bonus. The other ships have simply been brought up to that ship's standards.

As for super range on EWAR frigates, well that also makes sense because without it there is no point. Why mount a EWAR module with a 60km range on a ship that can't lock a target past 20km? So giving them enough range to (gasp) actually use their equipment actually makes perfect sense (and it's not like their dinky little guns are going to actually be shooting at that range, so no worries there).

This is actually kind of an important improvement because logi was always something that favored older, more SP toons, and those toons simply gravitated into the biggest thing they could find. Why would they waste their time in anything smaller? Well, now they've got a reason to. By making those smaller logi ships more viable they're getting younger toons flying them, and the fact that they're viable keeps people using them.

Really, and I mean 'Really' cool looking Avatar Yuuknow.

Remote Sensor Damps. Problem solved. Moving on...

EVE combat structure doesn't support Logi at any range really. If wings or pilots could set their own warp in distance and fleet, wing and squad commanders had a flat fleet warp option, it could work on smaller engagements but when fleets break the 50 man mark it's all alpha primary anyway.

It kind of makes the 220km sniper fleet nerf make sense. They want the thick of it to be in an 80km bubble, leaving the outer rim for logistical support. It's a design system but not for the EVE I have been playing. Warp everyone to 10 from the cloak, everyone primary down target after target, screw the Logi, it cuts away dps. Leave it at the POS. If you can fluke a warp out before you melt, get reps and return, assuming the battle isn't already over.

What's to stop them from dampening you first. In all likelihood, the logistics ship is the one with the locking range advantage. Even in battleship fleets, if the logistics ship is behind the front line, there is that much more distance that you have to cover before you can even lock and dampen them, i.e. walk your ewar right into the meatgrinder in the hopes of dampening 1 or 2 logis for the few seconds you have before they are primed.

Does it make sense that a logistics CRUISER can heal for full effect at maximum range, often outside the effective combat range of the opposing force, never missing, no optimal/falloff/tracking to deal with? Isn't the balance supposed to be that cruisers, although fast, are thinner skinned with limited range, capacitor, and fitting resources? Doesn't a cruiser that heals and tanks far outside it's weight class break that balance?

Imagine a ship that had a 1000% bonus to it's weapons range (autocannons, for example). Imagine a ship that equipped weapons and/or modules of a larger class, Tier 3 battlecruisers and stealth bombers come to mind. But, also imagine something like a Myrmidon with a large armor repairer or a Rokh with a capital class shield booster.

And, does it really even make sense that there is a ship next to the ship that you're destroying that is repairing it faster than you can destroy it. Isn't that kind of like machine gunning someone, only to have a medic standing next to him repairing his bodily tissue faster than your killing machine could damage it? Or a tornado blowing a house down, but losing the race to a construction team who were patching it up? It's almost as if "logistics" ships are . . . magical fairies casting spells of healing.

Nothing. But they have to bring those damps to do so, and they have to want to waste them on you rather than some other target. It's the same as with everything else. Regardless, damps do indeed solve the supposed problem.

Yes. It means it has to rely on something other than brute force to survive, and it is still easy to reach with anything that is not a pure close-range weapon if you want to.

Yes. Welcome to the world of remote support in games.

You're a whiner.

This.

Maybe an optimal range and falloff penalty to reps are in order. CCP should consider it.

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