Crime & Punishment

You can send ISK to me.

To properly resist this movement of the New Order I will need 5 billion ISK to start.

Thanks.

That requires effort, therefore it is unlikely to happen.

The problem is, at the minute from what i've seen is that those fighting fire with fire are ineffective because there going directly after the ganking accounts which don't really matter.

Now what they do have are there so called agents who go about in fleet issue stabbers. Target those as there worth a lot more than the throw away destroyers they use to gank and expect to loose anyway.

There's a reason that it is better for them to go after our Catalysts, though. Firstly, you can whore a Catalyst kill mail with just one shot before Concord does the rest. Secondly, there's no Concord retribution since we're all generally below -5.0. Thirdly, we all have tanks on our SFIs, which means that a miner will need several Catalyst pilots in coordination if he doesn't want to spend more than we lose. Miners don't do coordination.

The irony of AFK miners that provide the raw materials to build the same low cost ships they're getting ganked with.

Wescro is a payee not a payer, so it's in his best interests for miners to keep on paying.

What a great discussion this has been! I hate to be the one to bring it to a close but, you probably should know, the Collective Front has collapsed. As of today, the war between Torarjan Collective and the New Order has ended with the full acceptance of James 315's terms by the CEO of TC. See http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/01/torarjan-collective-surrenders-to-new.html#comment-form for the details.

Now that the Collective Front has become one with the New Order all remaining non compliant miners are well advised to seek their own path to alignment with the New Halaima Code of Conduct. In what is probably the most unshocking news of the new year, the New Order of Highsec has once again been victorious. But you all knew this would happen.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

I dont see what the problem is tbh

some dude thinks of a racket goes through all the trouble of finding right ship and fit for the job spens his hard earned isk on the ship goes out to claim his own turf for the racket and only charges 10m per mark

if you ask me your damn lucky these new order guys doing this a bit cheap

peraonaly i think it should be 50m a month fee
miss one month payment get bumped
miss two month payment then comes the emp gank

I liked the idea in the beginning...
AFK miners/bots are against CCP's policies and while it can be argued that they are providing minerals, ect ect, they really do detract from the game in relation to the non-afk miners who are really sitting there, watching and doing something.



Which is exactly why i have not offered them funding to help support their removal of my "bot" competition.

if we look at this from a strictly "business" point of view:

I don't care about real miners working a belt i'm in, hell, I've intentionally stayed off of roids other players are mining and even left a belt with some of (insert ore type here) remaining because the player spoke in local when asked what type of ore he/she was working on.

That's respect for someone doing the same thing I am doing and doing it the right way and that respect gets carried forward among that type group the same way respect gets carried forward within groups of people who have similar play-styles and who are doing it right.

it's the bots that I don't like, they warp in, sit there while the software scans, lock a roid or two, mine, stop, warp off empty out, lather, rinse, repeat.

An industry based corporation would do well to find a group like James & Co. to help keep botters out of their systems and by working out something like "Ok, here's 500m, this should fund your group for a while and our guys are perma blue, if you need **** built, let us know, we have (insert POS equipment or building skills here) and can help you keep stocked up to the best of our abilities."

Tell them what you need them to provide in the way of materials for what they want built and WIN!

I know some folks don't want to see that and will probably get frothing mad, but that's just good business sense and it's no different than the way other businesses grow through diversification, or monopolization of a certain market.

heck, we even have a pirate corp who has us blue and will fight to defend us when needed simply because we've helped them in the past and continue to do so as we are able to.


If James and Co. focused strictly on AFK miners(bots), they would likely have several corps looking to "hire" them. (for lack of a better term)


anyway, just my 0.02 worth on the possibilities.

o/
Celly

It's pretty simple. They don't destroy us because they can't. Oh, sure, a couple of people have tried to start movements against us - Anslo's 'Proveldtariat', this 'Tolero Guard' thing - but they've never grown larger than three or four people. There's just not enough of the 'stand up and fight' spirit among the people we target.

And as for us being not 'particularly powerful', he underestimates us. We had one rebellion where the leader actually had a corporation under his control. Jake Salvator, CEO of Torarjan Collective, attempted to declare war on us. Our main alliance (CODE.) took the wardec, while Agents and Knights from across the galaxy converged on the Collective's home. Torarjan Collective found that they couldn't cope with the huge disruption of their industrial abilities combined with endless harassment from our gankers (who Torarjan Collective couldn't target without being Concorded). They surrendered unconditionally yesterday.