Player Features and Ideas Discussion

thank you the last thread ran dry

Yes, I get what you mean. But I'm talking from a different point ov view; is not about individuals risk is about general gameplay:

As is now null sec systems are already pretty easy to secure (and his happens). If you add more mechanics to prevent or reduce possible "risky" variables (like the cloaking guerrilla, covert cynos and so on) you're simply opening the way to a further status quo fossiilization.

You're simpy reducing the room (already very limited) for any dynamic, unpredictable events to happen or for any change.

This can be good on the short term for renters and farmers but on a medium/long term means decay and fossilization for the general gameplay.

Cloaking is a defensive action by nature.
Defending against a defensive action is redundant. There is no need to.
You defend against an offensive action.

I cloaky slink around in Nullsec in a Legion on my PvP pilot to screw people over with no risk to myself. Personally I think there should be no local in unclaimed Nullsec, NPC Nullsec, and Local should be an Ihub upgrade that requires ISK/Day to maintain after your Alliance gets a certain Strat index. The local would then be available to those who own the system. Will that happen? Probably not.

I know when I AFK cloak or pretend to AFK cloak I do it to interrupt PVE activities and isk generation for that system and get easy kills. My 1 pilot can clear out the system or require those willing to continue on to be extra cautious and paranoid 24/7 while I don't have to put forth any effort. I think it's imbalanced. Will I stop doing it? Hell no! It's too powerful not to use.

I think i'm starting to see your point Mag's. I too should propose people go about their business while we are cloaked in their systems. An Eve were I can stay cloaked and risk free from danger and then attack my helpless targets as they do their daily routines. Because a cloaked ships can't do anything, it's not like that cloaked ship can decloak and kill someone at any time.



That carrier with 5 Drone damage augs in the lows, 3 omni tracking in the meds and just enough tank to hold off the anom's DPS. Keep on ratting while we're cloaked because a cloaked ship can't attack anyone. It's not like that cloaked ships is warping around looking for you and getting into position. Nah.




Maybe that cloaked ship is AFK and you have nothing to worry about. but then again... just maybe HES RIGHT BEHIND YOU! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (yerded)

You haven't seen my point at all. You have in fact used the exact opposite of my point, in that argument regarging the carrier.

Maybe you could argue the point, instead of a poor attempt at sarcasm?

Ganks bears, just make me laugh, my alliance mate made a very good suggestion in terms of enabling only someone with top scanning skills and a very expensive implant set to be able to probe out cloakies, think of the emergent game play from that, with specialised mercs developing to clear AFK cloakies away, and being Eve one would expect some of them to be killing their own AFK cloaky, lol.

My suggestion was based on not making it easy for removing a cloak and having a real penalty for using such a sov module to de-cloak, because things should never be easy in this game, which is why I play it, however I am happy with it as it is, though I do like the possibilities from what my alliance mate said much more than the OP and my suggestion.

But in reply we get the typical gank bear responses, I repeat, removing local will kill 0.0, because there is no reason to be there as you can make more in HS running incursions, and if you cannot use a carrier then if you are out to get ISK to get the capability you need for your strategic goals then null is not worth it. CCP knows this, in other words no local in null plus instant force projection means empty null sec.

Someone suggested cyno jammers, first off they are very expensive, second issue is that often rental agreements are sometimes in space held by another entity so you have no direct control, third issue is that it only blocks Titan bridges in other words normal cyno's not BLOPS cyno's. This is where intelligent players can win, because at that point you just work out a fleet composition to be able to deal with any BLOPS group and you can do it. And this is why I like Eve because there is always a counter, so that AFK cloaker becomes impotent and I know all this because I have done this.

The stupid comment that until the AFK cloaky ship does anything it is not a risk is something which I will treat with utter withering contempt, as well as that comment about 0.0 being safer than HS because you know your enemies, you are trolling, and if that is your real point of view, it sure sucks to be you!

The issue about local is something that you can get around if you play smart, I have set up effective gate camps, but as soon as I get a kill I move on, that is because you are now reported, so I work on the basis of that, also spending time to find out which systems have people in and which do not also makes it easy to negate it, but of course that is long term thoughtful game play, which gank bears can not really do because they want their instant fix of kill without working for it.

Anyway, I hope CCP looks at what my alliance mate suggested, its a very good idea...

Oh and CCP please do the POS changes, especially the ability for it to have a stealth mode (unprobable even by the top probers), be put anywhere and be able to cyno out, it is the only thing that can save null from the stagnation created by two overpowering and friends to each other coalitions. Though one has to say well played to both the leaders of those coalitions!

So without local there would be no afk cloaking, what is your problem? The issue is that null would become even more empty then it is now apart from those that can escalate force to the end game.

AFK cloaking with some noob in my system has never worked with me, it depends what is behind that AFK cloaky, let me give you an example as you are not able to work things out, Razor initially sent cloaky campers into IRC systems, I assessed each one and worked out when they were active or not, then continued, for those that I could not ascertain we fleeted up and set ourselves up for a BLOPS hotdrop which we could defeat based on the numbers we had seen. Later when Razor brought in Supers we stopped ratting and moved to another income source. And I enjoyed it up to the super part, at that point I could not compete and moved on, it was the supers in cyno range that stopped me not some noob in a Atron, lol!



That ninja comment is so stupid I can only laugh at it! Now your arguing that someone is afk or not, really is that all you can say. Hold on let me look at your KB http://irc.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=747686 That speaks for itself...

Obviously you have not been hotdropped, do you know the lead FC of Stain Empire, I was hot dropped by BLOPS twice by him and survived both times in a system called UF-KKH and I never shot a ninja salvager, I just blew the wrecks up in front of them so they decided that someone else was better game, lol!!!

People who resort to name calling instead of arguing points, make me laugh.
Also people asking for more intel power, on top of the already powerful intel tool called local. Then claiming things should never be easy in this game. That too, makes me laugh. Because local intel requires so much effort and intel itself, needs a boost.

No one in this thread, is advocating the removal of local without changes to replace it. These changes could include cloaks.
Reading and comprehension, is key to following a discussion.

What many have suggested in past threads, is that cloakers get removed from local and the use of it's intel. This could also come with changes to cloaks and ways to find them.

No one said you cannot use a carrier whenever you like. But if you accept that risk with an enemy in local and haven't made any attempt at mitigating that risk, don't complain if it didn't work out for you.

Jammers are expensive? You want to rat in a carrier, yet complain about the expense of a jammer? Really?

Why not ask for jammers, as part of the rental agreement?. You can't blame cloaks for bad rental agreements.

Also, so what if it doesn't stop Blops?

Prove me wrong then, without name calling and emotive remarks.

But you have to actually read what I said first, before you try. As I never actually said they we not a risk. We're back to reading and comprehension again.

Gate camps have no bearing on this discussion and it's relation to local intel. That response indicates you haven't yet grasped the issue people have. But I guess it's easier to talk about "instant fix of kill" and not working for it, even though it's based on conjecture.

Your alliance mates suggestion, would mean more intel power. That on top of the easy mode, on a plate, intel channel called local. I can't see how anyone can call that, a balanced approach.

Do you honestly think this is the first time this topic has come up? The trolling ended 100s of threads ago, it is mostly petty squabling and information mixed with some personal opinion. So no trolling from Mag's