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Ultimate 'Not Taking Resposibility for Own Actions' Lawsuit

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#21 - 2013-01-04 15:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Bane Necran wrote:
much of it is the fault of schools, pretending memorization is intelligence

To be fair, the memory side is part of the intelligence, though.
But since it's more CONVENIENT (and cheaper) to test for memory rather than general intelligence...
Yup, that's part of the problem indeed.
But not all school systems are like that, and some that are weren't in the past.
Poorly paid teachers (especially those with very little actual authority) are a huge part of the above-mentioned problem.
Most of the rest is political influence over the school curricula composition, but I digress again.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#22 - 2013-01-04 17:35:57 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Funny tidbit about Romania : religion is now a default (but with alleged parental write-in opt-out) class staring from the "0th" grade (they moved the last year of kindergarten to the school).
This is in a country that's supposedly a secular democracy.
Yes, they TEACH RELIGION BY DEFAULT in school to 6 year olds, and up to 19 year olds. And not the history of religions or anything like that, but actual church dogma with actual church-sanctioned teachers.
And (at best) you get sideways looks if you try to exercise the opt-out.
Then kids get into the 5th grade and start telling their science teachers that the teachers are wrong and they won't learn what they teach them, because the religion teacher they had 5 years running told them science is wrong and/or evil.



Very, very frightening...........and that gets a 'most indeed'.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#23 - 2013-01-04 17:39:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
I accidentally lucked out especially in the 10th grade with an 'English Teacher' who had a PhD in French Literature from Rice University n Houston, TX. (Her thesis was "Castration Symbolism in Jean Paul Sartre's "Nausea" Shocked)

BUT...

Changed my life forever.

1 teacher can make a difference.

edit: I would know nothing about art, film, or literature without her. Made us read even "The Castle of Otranto"...the foundation of all Gothic and horror literature...usually not approached until University level).

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#24 - 2013-01-04 19:21:09 UTC
In a country of 300+ million, you're bound to find a few nulcear-powered idiots.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc

masternerdguy
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-01-04 19:22:41 UTC
As an American allow me to say that these morons are not typical citizens.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#26 - 2013-01-04 20:14:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
oops

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#27 - 2013-01-04 21:50:28 UTC
these cases are all about making money for lawyers
more cases = more fees
a parasite profession needs a constant stream of hosts to suck on
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#28 - 2013-01-04 23:17:13 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
As an American allow me to say that these morons are not typical citizens.



Oh, yes they are.....most indeed.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-01-06 01:09:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is why I left.

Don't be fooled by people saying things like, "Oh, it's only a few people like that", because that's complete horseshit. OBVIOUSLY not EVERYONE is like that in the US; however, the majority of Americans would blame ANYTHING on ANYONE if they thought they could profit from it. If it weren't so, then laws would be enacted to prevent frivolous lawsuits such as this and the people as a whole would never even fathom something so idiotic. Yet, in the name of overzealously handling everyone with kid gloves out of fear of YET ANOTHER lawsuit, it exists.

"Freedom" is now "free dumb" in the US. Get out while you still can.
Verus Noan
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-01-06 04:45:55 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
As an American allow me to say that these morons are not typical citizens.


Sure they are.

Patiently waiting for your country to go bankrupt, sending the entire planet back to the dark ages.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-01-06 05:13:24 UTC
Verus Noan wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
As an American allow me to say that these morons are not typical citizens.


Sure they are.

Patiently waiting for your country to go bankrupt, sending the entire planet back to the dark ages.


Back when people actually had to work for their food? I think not Straight

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-01-06 05:36:56 UTC
My reaction to this story, and I would do it if it were possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#33 - 2013-01-06 05:37:14 UTC
Idiocracy

That's the future if the stupid are allowed to continue to breed.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-01-06 05:56:37 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
these cases are all about making money for lawyers
more cases = more fees
a parasite profession needs a constant stream of hosts to suck on


Those of us who aspire to be lawyers, and the profession at large generally look down upon ambulance chasers. Personal injury lawyers are fine when they go after legitimate targets, but the types we tend to scoff at are trying to make a buck off of your suffering. You know the ones I'm talking about: the ones who look like sleazy, used car salesmen who have hundreds of ads on television, telling you about their "no fees unless you win*" approach, and how effective they are. Hell, two of them in my area even guarantee you a win in court. I believe one lost a case and is now being sued for false advertising.

Hint: If a lawyer guarantees you a win in court before they even file the paperwork, find a new attorney!

We also tend to frown upon the guys who file multi-million dollar lawsuits that are frivolous. Yes, this is a frivolous lawsuit, and I fully expect it to be thrown out on that alone. If not, well I don't know. I mean, what are the odds that we, the taxpayers, are covering these legal expenses?

So please, don't say we're all bad. I'm going to practice as a Constitutional attorney. You know, someone who specializes in your rights as an American. :)

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-01-06 06:03:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Graygor
Anya Klibor wrote:


Those of us who aspire to be lawyers, and the profession at large generally look down upon ambulance chasers. Personal injury lawyers are fine when they go after legitimate targets, but the types we tend to scoff at are trying to make a buck off of your suffering. You know the ones I'm talking about: the ones who look like sleazy, used car salesmen who have hundreds of ads on television, telling you about their "no fees unless you win*" approach, and how effective they are. Hell, two of them in my area even guarantee you a win in court. I believe one lost a case and is now being sued for false advertising.

Hint: If a lawyer guarantees you a win in court before they even file the paperwork, find a new attorney!

We also tend to frown upon the guys who file multi-million dollar lawsuits that are frivolous. Yes, this is a frivolous lawsuit, and I fully expect it to be thrown out on that alone. If not, well I don't know. I mean, what are the odds that we, the taxpayers, are covering these legal expenses?

So please, don't say we're all bad. I'm going to practice as a Constitutional attorney. You know, someone who specializes in your rights as an American. :)


Don't take it as being hated because of ambulance chasers. Lawyers have been hated since Roman / Ancient Greek times and before.

Shall we not forget Shakespeare's lines from Julius Ceasar (not taking this as ancient history but Elizabethan England)

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"

Good luck with your career but do you have to protect the rights of this kinds of idiots? Cant you work on making it law that these cases can be thrown out and maybe have the judge throw their gabble at them? Big smile

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-01-06 06:35:02 UTC
Graygor wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:


Those of us who aspire to be lawyers, and the profession at large generally look down upon ambulance chasers. Personal injury lawyers are fine when they go after legitimate targets, but the types we tend to scoff at are trying to make a buck off of your suffering. You know the ones I'm talking about: the ones who look like sleazy, used car salesmen who have hundreds of ads on television, telling you about their "no fees unless you win*" approach, and how effective they are. Hell, two of them in my area even guarantee you a win in court. I believe one lost a case and is now being sued for false advertising.

Hint: If a lawyer guarantees you a win in court before they even file the paperwork, find a new attorney!

We also tend to frown upon the guys who file multi-million dollar lawsuits that are frivolous. Yes, this is a frivolous lawsuit, and I fully expect it to be thrown out on that alone. If not, well I don't know. I mean, what are the odds that we, the taxpayers, are covering these legal expenses?

So please, don't say we're all bad. I'm going to practice as a Constitutional attorney. You know, someone who specializes in your rights as an American. :)


Don't take it as being hated because of ambulance chasers. Lawyers have been hated since Roman / Ancient Greek times and before.

Shall we not forget Shakespeare's lines from Julius Ceasar (not taking this as ancient history but Elizabethan England)

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"

Good luck with your career but do you have to protect the rights of this kinds of idiots? Cant you work on making it law that these cases can be thrown out and maybe have the judge throw their gabble at them? Big smile


Last I checked, there's no Constitutional right to get inebriated. Unless you consider the repeal of prohibition that "fundamental right"...

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Etherial Skyshot Deathstalker
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-01-06 07:07:05 UTC
What is next? Sue a company that makes forks because they 'make' you fat? How about banning cars and bikes and make people walk for the exercise.

How many people drank as a minor and didn't end up in Jail or have problems? Some people always need an excuse for mistakes and will never own up that they 'are' the problem.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-01-06 07:14:25 UTC
Etherial Skyshot Deathstalker wrote:
What is next? Sue a company that makes forks because they 'make' you fat? How about banning cars and bikes and make people walk for the exercise.

How many people drank as a minor and didn't end up in Jail or have problems? Some people always need an excuse for mistakes and will never own up that they 'are' the problem.


I think obese people should have designated parking spots 3 miles from their destination and have to do jumping jacks the whole way there

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-01-06 08:48:41 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Etherial Skyshot Deathstalker wrote:
What is next? Sue a company that makes forks because they 'make' you fat? How about banning cars and bikes and make people walk for the exercise.

How many people drank as a minor and didn't end up in Jail or have problems? Some people always need an excuse for mistakes and will never own up that they 'are' the problem.


I think obese people should have designated parking spots 3 miles from their destination and have to do jumping jacks the whole way there


If I ever became an American i'd vote for you for president. Big smile

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate

Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-01-07 18:35:29 UTC
There are a number of symptoms that all come together to produce this stupidity:

  • The self-esteem movement
  • The anti-morals, anti-values movement
  • Misapplication of science in a legal context


Social science (which is a misnomer, as there is usually very little of the scientific method involved) had a hypothesis thirty or so years ago that self-esteem was of more importance than actual skills. Making policy out of that, we've had more than two generations of children graduated where getting the math wrong was OK so long as you felt good about the answer. These harmful notions leaked over to other subjects beyond math, but were most damaging there.

Add to this teachers who found it too hard to teach critical thinking and phonics (I wonder why they had so much difficulty...) and you get an education system that leans toward rote memorization instead of laying a foundation for generalization and synthesis.

At the same time, you have movements at the university level attempting to deconstruct the notion of morals, especially those that come from religion. Why? On the surface, the reason given is often outrage that you might make people feel bad (self-esteem). "How dare you demand good behavior and personal responsibility. How dare you interject religious notions of good and bad. There's no such thing as good and bad!"

Personal responsibility requires well-defined principles (not rules) of good and bad (which legal systems are a horrible substitute for), that is, it requires morals. Morals, in turn, can be reasoned from, generalized from and can be used in decision making when encountering new situations (critical thinking).

Morals and personal responsibility are only bad when your goal is to create a powerful centralized state that can control the daily lives of others. Well-informed and moral people will tend to vote against government constructs that grant more power to a ruling elite. Therefore, personal responsibility must be deconstructed. Pseudo-science and misapplication of biology (studies of addictive behavior, chemistry and pheromones) provide a useful misdirection in such an effort. The crude generalization of all these notions is the wrong-headed belief that one cannot be responsible for one's own actions.

The societal consequences, however, are things like this lawsuit in Idaho and the similar ones in Nebraska and South Dakota. While the academics have been so busy tearing down morality, they've not replaced it with anything. Critical thinking is unwelcome, because some may disagree with what the academic elite think should be a consensus.

Finally, you get lawyers attempting to apply these pseudo-science justifications to laws designed around responsibility. If you're not responsible, the law and consequent punishment for breaking it cannot apply. Lawyers are supposed to generate tension against the law to strengthen it. This works fine when the foundations of the law are solid, but is disastrous when those same foundations have been systematically eroded.

tl;dr: Damn hippies.
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