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How EVE Became Obsolete (And why CCP hasn’t noticed)

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Hannah Flex
#61 - 2013-01-06 06:31:09 UTC
I will never ever buy a tablet, PC for life baby. PC gaming is fine.
Ageck Kalenia
Development Holdings
#62 - 2013-01-06 06:32:49 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
[quote=Ageck Kalenia][quote=S1euth][quote=Ageck Kalenia][quote=S1euth

[It sounds like you really want to believe what you're saying, and there's a bit of cognitive dissonance at work when you see evidence to the contrary, and so to solve that uneasy feeling that you might be wrong, you dismiss the evidence as "faked".


There is no dissonance in dismissing bad evidence in favor of better evidence. Two years of absolute silence on the subject of Android development is better evidence than one silly video.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#63 - 2013-01-06 06:37:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
eve and pc gaming could become ultra-portable with something like the macbook air, but you still need a keyboard input and that's still PC territory.

//edit for semantics: PC meaning non-tablet computing devices, not excluding Apple non-tablet computing devices

speaking of, your claim that Linux is more popular than windows includes tablet OSes. c'mon man

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2013-01-06 06:41:13 UTC
Ageck Kalenia wrote:


There is no dissonance in dismissing bad evidence in favor of better evidence. Two years of absolute silence on the subject of Android development is better evidence than one silly video.


Silence is not evidence that they've been doing nothing. I don't tell people that I'm having sex, so should people assume that I'm not getting any? You have a fair bit of schooling to finish, so you can learn what constitutes as evidence.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#65 - 2013-01-06 06:42:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Ageck Kalenia wrote:
Consider:
- The future of traditional x86 and x64 PC architecture is increasingly vague. Laptops have been outselling desktop systems for years, but tablet sales are gaining exponentially. A whopping 122 million ARM-based tablets and smartphones sold in 2012.
- Within two years, ARM devices will account for more than half of all personal computer sales.

[...]

What’s troubling is that, to date, CCP has offered almost no interest beyond traditional PCs. They pulled official support for Linux in 2009, citing low usage. Fanfest attendees went wild last spring when CCP purportedly demonstrated EVE being tested on Android. But nearly a full year later, with no updates, no announcements, and no beta, we’re no longer convinced. It’s become clear CCP will never support many of the bleeding-edge technologies we most covet – mobile computing, open source operating systems, stereoscopic 3D, touch and gesture input, and virtual reality.


Well, you can't say they haven't noticed, since you acknowledge the fact they've actually produced a somewhat working app for Tegra 2 devices, demoed at Fanfest 2011.
And you can't really call PC gaming obsolete before it falls way below 10% market share, which is unlikely to happen too soon, if at all (after all, fixed devices will always be more powerful compared to similarly priced mobile devices, and CCP also has a DX11 EVE client in the works since at least that long too).

You might eventually be proven right, but then again, the typical EVE-playing demographic is likely to keep having a desktop PC for many years to come (and if nothing else, then remote login from their mobile device on their home desktop and play the game that way).

They might have not put THAT much effort into going forward with that direction YET, but you could also assume they're taking their time until "mainstream" portable devices (as opposed to "top of the line" ones) finally have the horsepower to run EVE nicely.
With Tegra 3 already out and in tablets (including the cheap but sturdy Asus/Google Nexus 7)and Tegra 4 on the way to maybe coming out this year, by next year most devices should be able to handle EVE as it is now.
You could also just as well assume that they might be keeping actual development secret (for a number of possible reasons, some of which might actually be good) and only talking about it again when they have something to really talk about.
After all, remember that CCP is in bed with NVIDIA, so it could be as well that NVIDIA is insisting they keep the Tegra client development a bit more hush-hush until it's actually ready for prime-time.

Bottom line, we are pretty sure they noticed, and we don't really know for sure they're not doing something about it.
Who knows, maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised in 1 or 2 years by a "Tegra3+ system" native EVE client.
Or maybe not.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#66 - 2013-01-06 06:48:45 UTC
So:
There are more people playing games on mobile devices than anything else

and:
Eve has more active subscribers now, than in the past.

This equals:
Eve is dying because no-one is playing it.

Somehow, I can't quite manage that cognitive dissonance.

This isn't a zero sum game. More people playing games on mobile devices doesn't equal fewer people playing on PCs
Because:
A: Market penetration wasn't 100% with PCs
B: People are using mobile devices at times other than they'd be using the regular PC.

People have been saying that the laptop will kill the desktop. But it's still being used. Not by everyone that used a desktop, but by those people where a laptop isn't suitable. That's Gamers. I'll stick with my dual 21 inch screens with a desktop with a significantly more powerful processor and a great deal more RAM than I'd get in a laptop that would cost twice the price.

Oh, and Gabe? He has no vested interest in having Windows with a built in store fail, on no he doesn't. Steam wouldn't suffer if publishers started putting everything through that.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#67 - 2013-01-06 06:50:45 UTC
Akita T wrote:


They might have not put THAT much effort into going forward with that direction YET, but you could also assume they're taking their time until "mainstream" portable devices (as opposed to "top of the line" ones) finally have the horsepower to run EVE nicely.
With Tegra 3 already out and in tablets (including the cheap but sturdy Asus/Google Nexus 7)and Tegra 4 on the way to maybe coming out this year, by next year most devices should be able to handle EVE as it is now.


this. an increase in processing power, enough to run EVE as-is, with a windows emulator if necessary

Help, I can't download EVE

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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#68 - 2013-01-06 06:51:17 UTC
You know you may be on to something, I myself am not able to run the game because the last update won't download sayings that my 64 bit machine isn't supported, I come here to waste time nothing more nothing less the luster of eve has mostly gone.

As of lately I have been looking at other MMO's and maybe going for a console PS3 I've more less reached as far as I can go in eve, there is content I would love to try but that would require constant PVP as everyone in NULL, Low, WH are scouring those areas for kills...not my cup of tea, I don't hate them because of that but for a 99% PVE'er it's a wall to my PVE aspersions.

Another thing is all the nerfing and grief play make you have to work more for a game that you just want to spend away an hour or two goofing off, certainly I wish EVE all the luck in their continual growth eve is an amazing environment but it's gonna be time for me to either go forever or come back in the future....don't know.

But this time I'm not giving away my stuff....I may be back.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#69 - 2013-01-06 06:59:19 UTC
Pardon me while I laugh at your notion that tablets will replace PCs.

I mean, seriously?
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#70 - 2013-01-06 07:01:29 UTC
has anyone tried installing an early build of EVE on a new windows tablet

is there something that would prevent this from working
NickyYo
modro
Northern Coalition.
#71 - 2013-01-06 07:06:53 UTC  |  Edited by: NickyYo
Other MMO's struggle for a few reasons.


  1. Theres no sense of achievement in the game because its all multi servered.
  2. There subscription models are free to play which makes the game feel cheap and biased against paying members,
  3. There all clones


What was you saying about eves subscription model being outdated?

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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#72 - 2013-01-06 07:09:42 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
has anyone tried installing an early build of EVE on a new windows tablet

is there something that would prevent this from working


Yes. WindowsRT doesn't support desktop apps at all. We'll have to wait for the full Windows8 tablets to see if that could work.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Dheeradj Nurgle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#73 - 2013-01-06 07:10:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Dheeradj Nurgle
Quote:
mobile computing, open source operating systems, stereoscopic 3D, touch and gesture input, and virtual reality.


With the exception of Open Source, everything there is a gimick for 8 year old CoD players....


Tablets replacing PC's? Every IT specialist worldwide just pissed their pants laughing at you.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#74 - 2013-01-06 07:23:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Tablets have their place, gaming isn't it. They're handy as a portable, on the go mobile device with media playback and an office suite or with custom apps for specialised purposes but they're certainly not a rival for a laptop or desktop as a true multi purpose computer with some ooomph behind it.

I have a Galaxy Tab 2 wifi, I love it and it goes everywhere with me (supplements my HTC legend which used to get used for a lot of stuff the tablet now does), with it I can RDP/VNC into my PC, sync dropbox, contacts, have my skype and SIP phone with me anywhere I can get WiFi, but it certainly would not be my platform of choice for gaming, or everyday computing TBH, just as I wouldn't choose a console.

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Spectre80
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#75 - 2013-01-06 07:26:13 UTC
i will never switch from desktop. that will be my gaming platform till i die.
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#76 - 2013-01-06 07:31:05 UTC
Glathull wrote:
Rain6639 wrote:
has anyone tried installing an early build of EVE on a new windows tablet

is there something that would prevent this from working


Yes. WindowsRT doesn't support desktop apps at all. We'll have to wait for the full Windows8 tablets to see if that could work.


I remember something about that's why my windows 8 feels like a... tablet OS (I now hate the windows key)
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#77 - 2013-01-06 07:37:52 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
Glathull wrote:
Rain6639 wrote:
has anyone tried installing an early build of EVE on a new windows tablet

is there something that would prevent this from working


Yes. WindowsRT doesn't support desktop apps at all. We'll have to wait for the full Windows8 tablets to see if that could work.


I remember something about that's why my windows 8 feels like a... tablet OS (I now hate the windows key)



No *****. The windows key used to be "home position" for my left pinky. Could toggle left or right for control or alt. Now it's just goddamm irritating. Everytime I hit the damn thing by habit it pulls up the tiles.

I am fairly well convinced that no one at Microsoft actually used Win 8 at all before shipping it.

I stop now.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#78 - 2013-01-06 07:38:01 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
All of that motion and touch screen and stuff like that - it's a gimmick. I won't be using it.


Now why does that sound familiar.

Oh. I remember, now.

It's the same mantra recited by the Luddites when video cards were introduced. And LCD screens were just coming on the market. 1Ghz processors. RAM over 8 MB. Etc, etc, etc.

We wouldn't have the friggin' telephone, for that matter, if it was up to people like you with their closed minds and fear of change.

Mr Epeen Cool
Jemar Tzitzimitl
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2013-01-06 07:44:18 UTC
Until the day mobile devices become as powerful as desktop. I am sticking with pc/pc gaming.
DSpite Culhach
#80 - 2013-01-06 07:59:05 UTC
Ageck Kalenia wrote:
For the last time, it is not about "gimmicks". It is about what is coming, what is already here, and what is not going away.

For most of us, our computer is the most expensive electronic gadget we will ever purchase. We buy them infrequently, research the heck out of what we buy, and budget for them carefully.

What I am saying is that within five years the traditional PC platform will no longer exist, except as a hobby/enthusiast platform. There will no longer be enough users willing to spend the money for increasingly rare and exotic computers and computer parts to keep a game the size of EVE in business.

It's not about what we prefer or don't. It's about where consumer electronics are already headed, who is along for the ride, and who will lose out.


Why do you think computers will be more expensive? Computational power will grow, and the EVE universe will be able to be run from a Tablet Server for all you know, and we will all be playing it on our VR glasses.

You have already decided that just because of tech changes we wont enjoy playing eve anymore, when in fact we will be able to even play it from a phone sized device on the way to work and back on a train, and then on a wall sized TV when we get home.

Ageck Kalenia wrote:
"I predict a tipping point, perhaps one to two years in the future, where EVE fans, torn between a device that suits their needs and a device that runs EVE, will inevitably cancel their subscriptions and embrace a new era of personal computing"


I predict that EVE will get recompiled on a new optical processor, and that instead of us needing PC''s, CCP will be running it all server side like this http://www.onlive.com/ and it will biz as usual, cause we will then able to play it ever on our fridges like these http://www.gizmag.com/go/1132/

See how easy it is to "predict" ?

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.