EVE General Discussion

Try 25 years, and I might believe you. The market data simply doesn't exist to support your idea. It's trending in that direction, but it's not there yet. And even if you are right, it wouldn't endanger EvE's core market.

I'm sure people said that desktops we're going to die in a few years after the laptop came out also.

Look at the price of a current iPad. For just a couple hundred dollars more you can get something way more powerful and versatile. Most times you onlt really need to upgrade your graphics card anyways. Take the money you'd spend on that iPad and buy one of the newest graphics cards and you're good for a long time.

Oh boy, not another one of those 'The PC is dying' believers.

Yes. Smart devices and touch screens will grow. Just like consoles grew out of nothing as well. And just as people predicted consoles would kill PC gaming. It didn't. Everyone wanted to play WoW instead. Its been mildly way more successful than any console game.

Then there was 'Network Computing' - remember that one from the late 90's? When we'd all be using thin clients powered by Citrix servers? Hows that working out? I used to sell into that market, and rest assured it still sucks to use it.

Now it's the 'Cloud'. Big whoop. I was doing online syncing 10 years ago. It just got a new shiny PR names.

Different devices serve different purposes. If you want to go play touch screen games, good luck. I played Angry Birds. It was fun, but hardly 'deep'.

But great for touch screen. I can own both. And I have a PS3 with wonders like Journey on it.

As for Valve? For all their wailing, it hasn't altered their sales one bit. Windows 8? I love it. Never touch WIndows Store. Ever. Steam? Every day.

So Valve want to create a linux PC that plays games? And has the option of running it off the big screen? Great.

Then there is VR headsets. Great.

And Ouya in development. Great!

None of this will kill the PC. PC gaming hasn't diminished. It's grown.

EVE? Its doing better than ever thanks. Loving it. 20,000 more logged in that 8 months ago. I call that a return to form.

Think a touch screen will give you something as complex as EVE? As complex as WOW? Anytime soon? Good luck with that. The very nature of the device absolutely limits its functionality. Its not a question of hardware. Its a question of the interface.

Keyboard + Mouse = wide flexibility. Heck, I even plug my PS3 controller into my PC and make it think its an Xbox controller for all those great games like Mark of the Ninja. Can you're touch screen do that? It will only get better with the new VR headsets and surround screens, and screen prices will continue to plumet.

PC's. The futures so bright I need shades.

Two years ago at Fanfest I watched a Nvidia developer play eve on a Tablet. CCP seems to have known about the emergence of tablets two years before the OP became concerned.

I pretty much had my eyes glaze over 3 sentences into the OP's WOT....is this one of those "PC'S ARE DYING!!!!" things?

Yeah, been hearing that for 20 years jack. YOU WILL PRY PC GAMING FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS.

The only platform that will match the flexibility of PC gaming is.....PC Gaming.

even if you would play eve on an ARM driven tablet, VR glasses using linux in the future, you would still play it on a desk with a keyboard and mouse. Its not angry birds which you can play in the car while you wait for the lights to go from red to green.

the read/write API extensions will give you more stuff you can do with all your devices, but the game is still played on the desk - PC or not. All the gimmicks you listed do not matter at the end and are even not considered as rocket science.

so you will have dust for the couch, eve for the desk and aura for in between

Hasnt CCP already been looking into this with CREST,which from what ive read is about allowing EVE ONLINE access on tablets ect,I cant see why the 2 OSs cant operate together in the future ,one maybe with touch screens where u touch the order Launch Drones ect on your UI,after all its the same as clicking onit .That doesnt mean the traditional mouse and keyboard set up will become obsolete imo..As to graphics ect becoming obsolete on PCs yeah not going to happen ,people will upgrade graphics cards ect ,as and when needed,so they can continue playing their favourite games ect.Also lets remember a PC has more uses than just gameplay ,and genrally have more computing power than tablets,laptops ect.So imo PCs will always be here in some form ,though how we interface with them may change overtime .AKA when VR helmets ect become cheap and available to the public .Now that more than anything could revoloutionise gameplay ,fancy being right in your ship ina fight ,and it blows up LOL,cant wait for that .Also lets remember there are VR helmets now that work by the in our case the player by just looking at an instruction ,used and being tested by the military.

you're looking at $4000 of hardware. tablet can't provide this, and I have a feeling you overpaid http://imgur.com/a/Ii7Q1

PS: if they port to tablet, cool, i own those too

That inline response thing didn't work out very well.

--Apple represents a growing segment of traditional computing, and a large chunk of mobile computing. It is, in fact, the most profitable company in either category. But it doesn't represent a "broad" segment. It's worth talking about who is making them because you can tell certain things about what devices will and will not do based on who makes them and who is making things for them.

--No one in the industry includes phones or mobile devices at all in category analyses. There's mobile, laptop, and desktop. These are 3 discrete areas of sales, each with their own use case and purchase scenarios. The fact that many people are finding out that they can do their computing stuff with iPads and don't need desktops or laptops doesn't mean that we need to lump all computing devices into one overgeneralized category that provides no insight.

It's necessary to be granular in a competitive market analysis. Mobile devices have compelling use cases. I'm not denying that. But there is only so much you can do with them. There will always be a use case for laptops and desktops. There won't be as many in the future, but there also won't be none.

--The people panning 3D are the people who have been panning 3D since the 80s. If there ever was a gimmick, it was 3D. It has always sucked. It still sucks. And it always will. It's almost like webTV from the late 90s. That was ahead of its time, just like GoogleTV and AppleTV are both ahead of their time. But 3D is ahead of everyone's time because no one wants it no matter how good it is.

--Don't know who Gabe Newell is. He's not influential in my industry. I have a laptop with Windows 8 and I even bought the new Nokia with windows phone 8 to see how the two get along. It's a steaming pile of shitstorm. It's not something you can just get along with if you ever do any serious computing (and I'm beginning to think that you don't). But aside from my anecdotal story, there's actual market data that shows that almost no one is buying Windows 8. Not even with MS dropping the price like a hot potato.

--As far as market sustainability, you don't seem to understand what's happening. People are not trashing their desktops and laptops just because phones have decent web browsers all the sudden. Or because they have apps. The devices are being used in addition to traditional use cases. Not completely instead of. This is what I meant when I said you are torturing your data.

There is a massive growth in mobile web browsing and app usage. That is a true statement. Some of that is from new purchasers (a small amount), but most of it comes from people who were a) using the web from a laptop or a desktop or b) using a laptop or desktop for some function that is not the web.

Here's where the torture comes in: you're taking an almost completely known real of data and comparing it to an almost completely unknown realm of data. And you're saying that because you have x = 1 gagillion and y = unknown that y is dying.