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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#281 - 2013-01-05 23:43:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Flurk Hellbron wrote:

NBSI Nullsec = Fail

NBSI is what?

nice butt, slap it

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#282 - 2013-01-06 00:07:14 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Another with ideology and preconcepts in the head.

People suggest introducing new things like treaties and "light blue" allies and all you can produce is a trite loltastic one liner that was the same in 2009 and 2010.

I mean, some people are REALLY REALLY trying to support you or sympathise but hey, it's like trying to help the nice guy who keeps kicking you in the jewels as "feedback".



Would you go mining in HS without CONCORD? Missioning? Run a Freighter around? Put up a POS?



Other PvP games make you do everything in a PvP location, it's not like it's something absurd and never heard of.
It'd just involve patching in mechanics to allow people to be more situation aware. I.e. a radar to detect inbound hostiles and similar.

Also, putting up a POS is done in low sec as is. Missioning too, I even have done low sec missioning in solo for a while in that cluster near Bei.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#283 - 2013-01-06 00:30:46 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Other PvP games make you do everything in a PvP location, it's not like it's something absurd and never heard of.
It'd just involve patching in mechanics to allow people to be more situation aware. I.e. a radar to detect inbound hostiles and similar.

Also, putting up a POS is done in low sec as is. Missioning too, I even have done low sec missioning in solo for a while in that cluster near Bei.


EVE also makes you do everything in a PvP location.


I didn't say low-sec (where missions have gates to decloak people coming at you in a bomber). I said High Sec, with its high population (all neutral), without CONCORD.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#284 - 2013-01-06 00:39:09 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Other PvP games make you do everything in a PvP location, it's not like it's something absurd and never heard of.
It'd just involve patching in mechanics to allow people to be more situation aware. I.e. a radar to detect inbound hostiles and similar.

Also, putting up a POS is done in low sec as is. Missioning too, I even have done low sec missioning in solo for a while in that cluster near Bei.


EVE also makes you do everything in a PvP location.


I didn't say low-sec (where missions have gates to decloak people coming at you in a bomber). I said High Sec, with its high population (all neutral), without CONCORD.


It's improper. Hi sec works *as is* with the neuts because of Concord. If there was no Concord then other defensive mechanics would have to be introduced. Everything would have to be able to self defend somewhat, like in the other PvP games. Would need to be able to hide behind something, being able to flee if you spot someone incoming (ATM it'd be impossible since some ships take a long time to warp off).

Anyway if you play say DFO (or GW2 in the EB) you are in PvP zone with stuff to dig, quests to do (GW2), puzzles, PvE... all in there. Making EvE full NPC free is not impossible, it just has not been done.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#285 - 2013-01-06 01:06:01 UTC
Still interested in hearing how the mechanics would be changed to make NRDS or some variant or whatever treaty system which works in a non-NBSI manner not suck to live with.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#286 - 2013-01-06 01:10:16 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Still interested in hearing how the mechanics would be changed to make NRDS or some variant or whatever treaty system which works in a non-NBSI manner not suck to live with.

May you live to be a thousand years old, invent a time travel machine, come back to 2013 and inform us what mechanics were told to you.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#287 - 2013-01-06 01:31:05 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
It's improper. Hi sec works *as is* with the neuts because of Concord.


And you've just made my argument for me. NRDS in areas without CONCORD is an idiotic policy (NRDS in areas with CONCORD is, ofc, mandatory). No game mechanical changes will ever change this.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#288 - 2013-01-06 01:52:54 UTC
Why would we want others having access to our toys?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#289 - 2013-01-06 01:59:10 UTC
I believe that question's been asked numerous times, with no real answer, along with "how". vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#290 - 2013-01-06 02:04:30 UTC
because of dino-trade
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#291 - 2013-01-06 02:37:55 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
I believe that question's been asked numerous times, with no real answer, along with "how". vOv


Which is why I keep getting confused between this thread and the "buff small groups thread" in which the exact same dynamic exists.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#292 - 2013-01-06 02:45:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
RubyPorto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
It's improper. Hi sec works *as is* with the neuts because of Concord.


And you've just made my argument for me. NRDS in areas without CONCORD is an idiotic policy (NRDS in areas with CONCORD is, ofc, mandatory). No game mechanical changes will ever change this.


You made your arguments before you starting posting on this thread. You keep swinging the NRDS like it's something I ever claimed should be implemented.

Also, the "No game mechanical changes will ever change this" is another argument made within your self defined box.

There is always that true sandbox game called RL which EvE often attempts to model, where empires and nations exist and "neuts" come and go. They are somehow related to "light blue" which IS something I talked about (unlike the NRDS).


Anyway I don't even know why this thread exist. It's not like you'd even want to try creating a realistic nation.
Too folded over yourselves to be able to imagine not being just a closed ended PvP corp who want to settle their corpies and that's it.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#293 - 2013-01-06 02:49:03 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
I believe that question's been asked numerous times, with no real answer, along with "how". vOv

Which is why I keep getting confused between this thread and the "buff small groups thread" in which the exact same dynamic exists.

General discussion, never really that original.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#294 - 2013-01-06 02:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
It's improper. Hi sec works *as is* with the neuts because of Concord.


And you've just made my argument for me. NRDS in areas without CONCORD is an idiotic policy (NRDS in areas with CONCORD is, ofc, mandatory). No game mechanical changes will ever change this.


You made your arguments before you starting posting on this thread. You keep swinging the NRDS like it's something I ever claimed should be implemented.

Also, the "No game mechanical changes will ever change this" is another argument made within your self defined box.

There is always that true sandbox game called RL which EvE often attempts to model, where empires and nations exist and "neuts" come and go. They are somehow related to "light blue" which IS something I talked about (unlike the NRDS).


Anyway I don't even know why this thread exist. It's not like you'd even want to try creating a realistic nation.
Too folded over yourselves to be able to imagine not being just a closed ended PvP corp who want to settle their corpies and that's it.

So how's this "light blue" thing going to work which is going to make cats and dogs live in perfect harmony and let the sissies of hisec help make a Jita out of VFK?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#295 - 2013-01-06 03:02:23 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
You made your arguments before you starting posting on this thread. You keep swinging the NRDS like it's something I ever claimed should be implemented.

Also, the "No game mechanical changes will ever change this" is another argument made within your self defined box.

There is always that true sandbox game called RL which EvE often attempts to model, where empires and nations exist and "neuts" come and go. They are somehow related to "light blue" which IS something I talked about (unlike the NRDS).


Anyway I don't even know why this thread exist. It's not like you'd even want to try creating a realistic nation.
Too folded over yourselves to be able to imagine not being just a closed ended PvP corp who want to settle their corpies and that's it.



So what game mechanical changes do you suggest to allow real NRDS to flourish in Sov Nullsec? And how would they achieve that aim?

Neuts don't tend to come and go freely in the modern periods of open warfare. Which is what Nullsec is constantly in a stat of.

Even if we ignore that, just about every country has an immigration authority and requires a Visa to be allowed entrance and will forcibly remove you from their country if you are found to not have a proper Visa. In EVE, that forcible removal is handled by podding you back to your "Home" by border patrol checkpoints called "gatecamps."


If it's just our preconceived notions that stop NRDS from flourishing, why has every NRDS group in worthwhile space been stomped right out of their space? Which specific mechanics have caused there to not be a single successful NRDS group in EVE*?

*ProviBlock doesn't count because they've gotten immediately kicked out every time Providence becomes worth living in. Also they are, as shown earlier, not really NRDS.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Belanar Colt
Divinus Gloria Intra
#296 - 2013-01-06 06:50:12 UTC
Belanar Colt wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Corpies are green, allies are blue.
If he's orange, red or neutral,
He's here to kill you. :)


>NPC Space
Hold on now and this about this for a second. Every NPC Null sector entails multiple corps multiple alliances each representing multiple nations. Now if there be NPC lowsec. and Null sec. POLICE STATIONS in (combat engineered) orbit within their awesome sector, they wouldn't be fighting even the reds in those areas unless they're really defending themselves from the greater good. Think about it. We on 2 here.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=190300&p=2


I say this because when there are Low Sec. Operations (roams) in orbit around these, NPC solar space owned sectors you would think that POLICE STATIONS ( I love to hence that man! Cool ) would only be there for what way it can prove to show that it's a very more sophisticated economy. Leading, to a better and brighter future for the local population.
Belanar Colt
Divinus Gloria Intra
#297 - 2013-01-06 07:03:48 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
It's improper. Hi sec works *as is* with the neuts because of Concord.


And you've just made my argument for me. NRDS in areas without CONCORD is an idiotic policy (NRDS in areas with CONCORD is, ofc, mandatory). No game mechanical changes will ever change this.


You made your arguments before you starting posting on this thread. You keep swinging the NRDS like it's something I ever claimed should be implemented.

Also, the "No game mechanical changes will ever change this" is another argument made within your self defined box.

There is always that true sandbox game called RL which EvE often attempts to model, where empires and nations exist and "neuts" come and go. They are somehow related to "light blue" which IS something I talked about (unlike the NRDS).


Anyway I don't even know why this thread exist. It's not like you'd even want to try creating a realistic nation.
Too folded over yourselves to be able to imagine not being just a closed ended PvP corp who want to settle their corpies and that's it.


you know what is a realistic nation? Everything that has already been created. Everything. Down to the owners that created what is already there to play with inside EVE> Organizations, Tradesmen, Everything. However if there is one mistake I think it is not living with more policies to live by. Police stations, being here in question is something that I just did. I can't script it in, but I can with no doubt definitely suggest it to be mounted. With the voices of everybody that is in favor, we may just do enough damage in order for it to be so. Think about it. Please? For me and everybody else around The Great Wildlands, that has PI and can't get there anymore. It's a simple station that our developers may install nation wide to correspond with FW, to correspond with a new point system and maybe even, well hopefully... sanctioned aircraft given by the station "chief (AI)" themselves.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#298 - 2013-01-06 07:55:49 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
I believe that question's been asked numerous times, with no real answer, along with "how". vOv

Which is why I keep getting confused between this thread and the "buff small groups thread" in which the exact same dynamic exists.

General discussion, never really that original.

At least it's general.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#299 - 2013-01-06 10:31:01 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
I believe that question's been asked numerous times, with no real answer, along with "how". vOv

Which is why I keep getting confused between this thread and the "buff small groups thread" in which the exact same dynamic exists.

General discussion, never really that original.

At least it's general.

And some sort of discussion...

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Zack Korth
Livid CO.
#300 - 2013-01-06 10:39:19 UTC
this thread blows so hard, i would say i can't believe its 15 pages long.. but i know GD well, i am not surprised.