EVE Fiction

I can't answer this, but I'm fairly sure New Eden is a cluster, not a galaxy. I've heard blurbs about the game and devs refer to it as "The Eve Universe" but this could be a colloquial term for everything contained within the game, kind of like how one might say "The WOW universe" or "The Rift universe", whatever. New Eden is apparently comprised of multiple star forming regions, either galaxies in themselves or nebulae (the Gellente nebula, the Minmatar nebula, the cloud ring, etc.), some are clearly nebulae but with others it's hard to tell (the Jove formation[s]). The entirety of New Eden does NOT appear to flow in a circular manner and there does not appear to be a super black hole in the center though black holes may exist (ie: the eve gate? not sure about that), and a circular formation is not always necessary for a formation to be considered a galaxy.

If it is in fact a cluster that leaves a lot of space between the various star forming regions but that doesn't exactly work, and here's where I'm going to totally contradict myself and where Eve contradicts itself. New Eden is only about 25 light years across meaning it's less than 1/4800th the size of the milky way (100,000-120,000 light years in diameter). Which means, it is likely to be far too small to actually be a considered a galaxy though I'm uncertain about the criteria. Nebulae can potentially form in any size and Nebulae often are capable of forming stars. So in conclusion I think New Eden is either a mini cluster of nebulae floating between galaxies or perhaps it is a collection of nebulae and formations somewhere within a greater galaxy. If that is the case it might even be possible that New Eden is somewhere within the Milky Way, though other lore may have already contradicted that.

So to answer your question I think it would be logical to assume that wormhole space is somewhere near by the New Eden cluster. If the Sleepers are indeed remnants of an ancient New Eden civilization than they have to be near by, most likely somewhere on the outskirts. The appearence of wormhole space and the strange physical properties in wormhole space suggest that they might be in the center of the Nebula formations themselves.... Yes I think this is the most logical answer, they must be somewhere in the most inhospitable corners of the various formations of New Eden. Think about it, nebulae are made mostly from suspended dust and gasses that failed to coalesce and form celestial bodies. Being inside this stuff would most likely cause some irregular behavior in your craft as well as quirks in the way physics work.

Just my thoughts on the matter.


EDIT: My mistake, New Eden is actually 106 light years long, 25 thick, etc. IT IS in fact a cluster: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/New_Eden_%28cluster%29 My bad. This actually explains a lot. My final answer stays though, I think wormhole space is inside the dirtiest parts of the Nebulae.

EDIT2: Quote from New Eden (cluster) article: "When looking at charted star maps, explorers often notice a filamentary structure to the cluster, especially at its edges. This leads some to believe that there are massive voids of stars within the cluster, but this is only partly true. Many of these gaps are filled with stars which have simply not been connected to the rest of the cluster through stargates."

Yes. The New Eden (Cluster) article answers quite a bit about the size and composition of New Eden. I highly recommend it, because I am a great writer. I mean, it's a great article.

If we assume that New Eden is a large open cluster, which tend to form from vast molecular hydrogen clouds (the background nebula?) along spiral arms, then the wormhole systems could simply be another such cluster further along the arm. So now the question becomes, if "New Eden" refers to the cluster, can the wormhole systems be considered part of New Eden :)

In other words, are wormhole residents exempt from cluster-wide tax laws?

I actually did hand measure the map and it's roughly 106 light years across, give or take a few light years.

Didn't CCP TorfiFrans say that the locus signatures are different quasars in the universe and that each w-system is close by one of them, meaning they are nearly all galaxies apart?

that dev blog about the qusars as crap pure honest crap, i lived in wh space for 2 and a half years heres what i found when comparing the project compass map to new eden.

1. they are almost mirror images of eachother, pay close attention to the band of stars at the western middle they match ore's space. infact anywhere that there are gaps in star formations in new eden there are also gaps on the map PC made of anoikis.

2. nearly all of the c1-2 wormholes that PC mapped are near the interior of the anoikis cluster.. asin the ones where highsec would be in new eden, note that c1-2's almost always have highsec static. c3's listed in the PC map are where lowsec would be in new eden thus explaining why there are so many c3's with a lowsec static. c5's are located on the outer band thus why they connect to null as much as they do.

3. aside from the nebula's there is only 1 true quasar in wormhole space that i or anyone i know has see.it is similar to the milky way but much more faded and is visable from both new eden and anoikis. more specificly though it is only visable from c4-6 wh systems the ones that would be according to the map PC made be on the edge of anoikis and thus giving them visability of the quasar. expecting to see every quasar in anoikis is like expecting to see every quasar in new eden... we cant even in the darkest most isolated area's of null you can only see 1 or 2 quasars that are quite close really

4. the sleepers disappeared from our space when the jovians started toying with dna, the region that they were in has what i can only describe as a tear in subspace as large eletrical storms plague the planets and solar systems sparaticly. thus how they got so far from new eden they forced a wormhole of sorts and got there.

5.if infact each class of wh was a different galaxy or at all seperated one would assume they would be somwhat nearby new eden and you could see similar quasars in anoikis that you see in new eden, this is not the case as stated above there is only 1 true quasar that can be seen in both.

6. the devs did everything they could to shut down PC including shutting down the tower location, attempting to disprove what was said even though 99% of the math adds up and all the things i listed above make alot more sense.

conclusion. the data about how anoikis is arranged must be valid the devs are steming away from a scientific approach to things in eve cause all people want to do is pew pew. they dont want us to figure out things like where wh space is cause thats a bit of content they are holding onto for the future

arek jelian or however you spell it was a mask its true purpose was to see how much of the community was interested in a scientific/discovery/exploration side of the game. only 5-10% at best of the game showed interest in it so that approach to interractive storytelling as explained by CCP dropbear was shelved. note that CCP dropbear left ccp and not long after that ccp announced the launch of dust. but im stemming off subject.

the real question one must ask.... is not where is anoikis but when is anoikis. wormholes dont just go through distances in space they also go through points in time.anoikis mirrors our cluster so closely,there is a DRASTIC difference in the age of sleepers and their installations in the various classes of wh's. in example c1's give almost all wrecked components and the sleepers there info reads that they are very very old. when a c6 has brand new sleepers,intact components, much better setup installations. factor that in with the sleepers tech is way beyond our own and the picture of a alternate reality/different timeline becomes very reasonable

sadly with the current direction eve is taking such scientific fields like this are disappearing and being shut down. the future of science and exploration in eve will run along these lines. concord/whoever announces the discovery of an artifact on a planet in null or wh space. corps in eve scramble to gain orbital control so they can support dust teams already on the ground. dust teams will obtain and move the artifact to a extraction point then hand it off to eve players who then have to deliver it to some npc bam mysteries of the universe unlocked by just pew pewing. arnt things fun when the standards are lowered to meet your every day de de de

There's a difference between us purposefully giving information for people to discover and unrelated design conveniences being accepted as evidence.

I think this is what happened in this case; the way game design mapped out the wormhole systems doesn't match up to what storyline actually intended the wormhole space to represent.

I suspect it didn't match up because no one expected the methods being used to map wormhole space to actually exist, so there wasn't considered a need to make them match up.

Where did you find that quote? From what i can remember, the New Eden cluster was too far away since no known stars could be found to triangulate a position from. If it was in the Milky Way, i'd imagine that the original Terrans would have caught up by now - 20,000 years is plenty of time to settle throughout an entire galaxy.

I'm very intersted to see what CCP does with w-pace in the future. There is so much available, as far as strory-telling goes, in w-space that it will be an easy method of introducing new content to the game.

As for the question this thread raises, my thought is that the wormholes are somewhat like stepping stones leading away from New Eden with the systems accessible through lower-class wormholes being the closest and the systems accessible through the higher-class wormholes being the farthest away.

Based on the color of the various Anoikis systems (c1 blue / c6 red) it stands to reason that the deeper systems are either much older than the others or are in an area of space where there is much less fuel to consume. In either case, I hypothesize that some wormhole space is very near New Eden and the deeper one travels down the rabbit hole the closer one gets to the very edge of the universe itself.