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Making the Jump from Carebear to Risk Taker

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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#61 - 2013-01-03 17:52:41 UTC
joined up, played off and on for 2-3 years: did missioning and nullsec industry, was bored to tears unsubbed saying 'this game sucks and is boring'.

decided to come back and give PVP a try. was hooked after my first engagement.
cBOLTSON
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-01-03 18:35:28 UTC
- Started game (didn't even know how to undock)
- joined help channel and was told to join a corp
- found a totally random corp
- not long after was taken into lowsec for pew pew
- got annihilated, but our motley crew killed a cruiser before being raped by a hac gang.

And ever since then I loved it :)

The good old days of Unreal Tournament, fragging and sniping on Facing Worlds, listening to Foregone Destruction.......
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#63 - 2013-01-03 18:36:05 UTC
Chandaris wrote:

decided to come back and give PVP a try. was hooked after my first engagement.

Yup.

Scanning down my target, figuring out his vulnerabilities, predicting his actions, setting the ambush... F1! Bomb away!
It gives me a very pleasant adrenaline tingle. Twisted

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#64 - 2013-01-03 19:41:52 UTC
It's possible to be a risk-taker and be a carebear. You find them in nullsec operating alone. I am not referring to some botter safely behind the gank pipelines ratting with a carrier, I refer to the loners wandering about, knowing always they are outgunned and likely outnumbered and yet still manage to survive. They are not uber leet PVPers throwing ships away to camps and blobs daily (how ship loss makes one good at PVP I am not sure) but they certainly are out there taking risks.


It's also possible to be averse to risk and be a PVPer. 4-5 man teams that have run from me because they simultaneously feared "being the one KM" of their group expecting that I could take one with me are a good example. People running from fairly even fights to run back with heinous overkill is another example we see commonly complained about.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#65 - 2013-01-03 19:49:39 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

(how ship loss makes one good at PVP I am not sure)

It's not the act of losing the ship. It's what you learn in the process - what mistakes not to make; what tactics were successfully used against you; what a well-run ambush looks like; etc.

Yes, you can learn those from the other side, but nothing teaches so fast as being caught in a mistake.


Otherwise, excellent point.

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-01-04 00:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Quote:
If you want to get into PVP the worst thing you can do is try it solo.


There is no such thing like solo PVP. Maybe if you have multiple accounts. Every PVP is multiplayer experience, or two players, but not solo. That is what makes it worth your time.

You may opt to be solo. That is no guarantee that those you fight will be.

silens vesica wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

(how ship loss makes one good at PVP I am not sure)

It's not the act of losing the ship. It's what you learn in the process - what mistakes not to make; what tactics were successfully used against you; what a well-run ambush looks like; etc.

Yes, you can learn those from the other side, but nothing teaches so fast as being caught in a mistake.


Otherwise, excellent point.


That requires being able and willing to both acknowledge that you made a mistake in the first place (as opposed to blaming those damn blobbers/falcon alts/lag/anything but you) and be able and willing to examine what happened and find out what your mistake was.

It's a quality many players and indeed many people actually lack.

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Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#67 - 2013-01-04 03:49:39 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
It's possible to be a risk-taker and be a carebear. You find them in nullsec operating alone. I am not referring to some botter safely behind the gank pipelines ratting with a carrier, I refer to the loners wandering about, knowing always they are outgunned and likely outnumbered and yet still manage to survive. They are not uber leet PVPers throwing ships away to camps and blobs daily (how ship loss makes one good at PVP I am not sure) but they certainly are out there taking risks.



Last time I checked, evading someone's attempt to catch you counts as player-versus-player. Sure they'll call you a carebear for not diving into their bubble camp, but that's just frustration talking.
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#68 - 2013-01-04 03:51:37 UTC
Oxxe Radak wrote:
I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.


I made the jump while I was still a carebear. Joined in with the Pinked alliance during their brief stay in Geminate.

Then I returned to highsec and lost my tengu to awoxers shortly after.

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Revman Zim
Infinite Point
The Initiative.
#69 - 2013-01-04 04:03:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Revman Zim
Back in 2009, I was with a hi-sec corp with an indy/WH toon. Lots of mining ops, manufacturing... etc. We would go do a WH every once in a while. I was the ultimate Missioning/Mining/Manufacturing carebear. At the time I had about 17million SP, so I had been playing for over a year.

The corp was war-decced (I can't remember why, but there was a reason) and everyone just docked up. Myself and the CEO decided to give PvP try since we had the opportunity in hi-sec. I undocked in a T1 frig with a web and a scram and was playing games with a WT on a station. My buddy was one system away in a BS ready to jump in to apply the DPS. When he was ready, I closed range, webbed and scrammed and screamed in chat to warp to me (no... we did not use voice comms). We ended up killing a Navy Slicer before I was into structure.

Afterwards, I was shaking from the adrenalin rush and decided then and there I was changing my game style. I flushed that toon and never looked back.

Unfortunately, it took awhile to get back into the game. RL got in the way, since I was Active Duty Navy and deployed alot, I waited until I retired so I could dedicate the required time to a good PvP Alliance in null.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2013-01-04 05:23:28 UTC
I moved to 0.0 7days after I started playing. Just a mindset
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#71 - 2013-01-04 10:20:53 UTC
mynnna wrote:

That requires being able and willing to both acknowledge that you made a mistake in the first place (as opposed to blaming those damn blobbers/falcon alts/lag/anything but you) and be able and willing to examine what happened and find out what your mistake was.

It's a quality many players and indeed many people actually lack.

Fair point, but I'm willing to give folks the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

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vasuul
BLUE M00N Fetish Group
#72 - 2013-01-04 13:26:13 UTC  |  Edited by: vasuul
I worked my way into being a good miner with a hulk i could fit t2 then i got war decced

lost miserably to a better player it forced me to change career paths in the game and concentrate on combat skills
ran into a friend that asked me if i wanted to join destiny alliance and try 0.0 i loved 0.0 and the fighting

but i also learned rule number one for a noob in 0.0 never fly what you can't afford to lose

pay attention to your local and intel channels above all and be on the alliance vent or teamspeak etc when un docked

also its not considered paranoia its a healthy awareness of your surroundings

you will lose ships at first but a good crew will train you til it happens less often

and that first kill will make you feel like a GOD but don't get cocky remember you are part of a team and you need to do your part I would recommend you first learn to tackle and fly fast frigs and interceptors to start
don't try jumping in a battleship until you are proficient at every class below it and can fit it T2
battleship is OK for ratting but for a pvp noob its a flying coffin

most of all don't get discouraged over losses its all a learning experience and ask those with more experience in your group for help they were all where you are at some point

Good luck
Amiazia Patrouette
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2013-01-05 21:10:44 UTC
I just wanted to thank everyone in this thread for your inspiration. I've been playing for a tiny 8 days or so. I've done most of the agent missions. I mine to make money and build a little nest egg. I've played many MMO's going back to the original UO but never got into PvP. I started playing EVE because I knew there was no consenting to PvP and that your "life" was in danger as soon as you undock. I liked that feeling. However, living in high-sec is starting to get a little boring. I want the action. If I get podded or killed, so be it. I've been playing with the idea of getting into PvP. I just never knew the "path". To me, EVE is about survival. I've got to learn somehow.

Thank you all. I think I'm about to fit a ship and go see what kind of trouble I can get into. Twisted
Lexmana
#74 - 2013-01-05 22:11:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Amiazia Patrouette wrote:
I just wanted to thank everyone in this thread for your inspiration. I've been playing for a tiny 8 days or so. I've done most of the agent missions. I mine to make money and build a little nest egg. I've played many MMO's going back to the original UO but never got into PvP. I started playing EVE because I knew there was no consenting to PvP and that your "life" was in danger as soon as you undock. I liked that feeling. However, living in high-sec is starting to get a little boring. I want the action. If I get podded or killed, so be it. I've been playing with the idea of getting into PvP. I just never knew the "path". To me, EVE is about survival. I've got to learn somehow.

Thank you all. I think I'm about to fit a ship and go see what kind of trouble I can get into. Twisted

Thats the spirit. I recommend joining the militia (FW) and try to get into a fleet ASAP. That will get you into trouble very soon. Good luck and fly unsafe.
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#75 - 2013-01-05 22:12:46 UTC
I was far too old, over a year when i finally started and realized that sp or ISK do not matter.

I started my PvP with Factional Warfare. And back then it was broken but still very funny and worth it. From what i hear they fixed it a lot, so may be it is even more fun now. The only thing that matters is a setup that makes sense and some knowledge of the game mechanics. But you don't need them to start.

Some facts if you want to start PvP:

- You will die a lot
- You will make stupid mistakes
- You will die a lot

But you will learn with time how to avoid death, how the game mechanics work and what module combination work in a good setup that fits the role you play.

Start with small cheap ships only T1 stuff. They have their roles and in FW there are even complexes where only frigates can enter. So back then we got some good pure frigate fleet fights which is fun like nothing else. Also cheap like hell you don't need to run mission to finance that losses.

Also in FW is in lowsec. That means no bubbles, so your pod will survive many engagements.

There are also fleets up sometimes if not all the time. They always need some tackler frigates.
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2013-01-06 02:32:42 UTC
Now that I think about my transition from the safety of highsec to doing PvP in lowsec, it's more gradual than it has seemed.

In my first days I mined in a probe. Then I realized missioning was more engaging and made a better profit so I did that. Missioning didn't hold my interest for too long either so I got into exploration. All this took about two or three months.

But all this time I was aware of factional warfare and that "militia office" button that called to me every time I docked. So while my friends were running missions in their hurricanes and slowly getting bored of EVE Online, I joined the minmatar militia. I even happened to join at a time when certain people were running fleets that any militia member could join. These were not high-quality fleets but better than nothing.

Through these fleets I met the right people and learned the basics of PvP. At first I lived in highsec and went to lowsec to do PvP with my fellow militia members until eventually I moved into lowsec permanently, only going to highsec for business. I blobbed and took part in fleets for quite a while, got used to PvP and found a place for myself.

As time went by I grew tired of taking orders and having a fleet commander decide when I should warp or shoot. So after disobeying some orders during fleet fights and having my first solo kills amongst the chaos of fleet battles, I started doing solo PvP. Very quickly I found that I got a much more intense rush from solo PvP and I enjoyed the hunt whenever I was tracking down a potential target with my d-scan. Now my problem was that FW could not satisfy my needs. War targets were moving around in fleets that I had to avoid while neutral pilots were ratting in the belts, running missions and looking for fights.

The first time I killed a neutral pod was in Gratesier, next to an island of highsec systems. That kill gave me the most liberating feeling I've experienced during my EVE career because it meant I no longer cared about sec status. I was free.

That's what I'm still doing, only a little better than back then. At least I hope so...
Amiazia Patrouette
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-01-06 06:38:55 UTC
I took the advice and joined FW. Fitted my ship and headed out from my "safe home" a few jumps to take a FW mission. That mission was 20+ jumps, half being in my Faction and the last half going into enemy territory....ending in enemy low-sec. At first I looked at the map and thought, "oh this is not gonna end well". I went for it. Made it to my mission location, completed my mission (that was a pain in the rear end), and headed back. I made it. I made it unharmed. Just the rush alone from traveling in enemy low-sec, 0.2, was awesome. I know it's not null-sec but I get the idea now.

After that, I decided to go for a trip. I adjusted my map to show where the most ships have been killed in the last hour and went for a ride. It is my honest opinion that there are a whole crap load of people that are missing out on the best part of EVE. But it is ok.

Thanks folks. I just had my best EVE experience to date.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#78 - 2013-01-07 04:36:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Celly S
Sura Sadiva wrote:
Otrebla Utrigas wrote:
What I don't understand is what does people with all the money they make while in carebear mode?
...
I jumped the fence when I asked myself "Well, I have a Raven Navy and I can earn 20/25 mill isk per hour killing rats... now what??"



I share your view. However there're people having fun in stockpiling resources and money, so the ISK capital is for them the meter of their game progression. Nothing bad in this, it's a gamestyle legit as any other, and have to be respected (mostly consdering it's the gamestyle of the larger part of playerbase).

It's the nature of sandbox games: everyone can decide and set his ingame goals.





It seems several folks have the idea that carebears are rolling in the dough...
I've been a carebear for years and while I do have a few shinies, i'm by no means rolling in the dough as I see constantly alluded to in similar posts.

this toon and my other newbie toon will be going into the PvP arena just to see how the other half lives (to coin a phrase) but in all honesty i don't see where these implications of carebears all being quadrillionaires and crap comes from.

:)

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#79 - 2013-01-07 05:28:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
Oxxe Radak wrote:

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?
.


In my case two years, just because i was focused on discovery EvE and things while easy chill mode game style, before i start pvp i was miner,explorer,trader, but while i was focused on pve somtime on occasion i do pvp like kling ore thiefs while i was in pvp fited mining barge just for lulz ;)

I enter (real pvp) after like 2 years, reasons above, hovewer its possible to enter pvp immediately, using some cheap tacle ship, or cruiser with small friend fleet or corporation.

Personaly i dont have a lot kills on this character its not pvp focused but i got around 800 kills on occasion on other my characters during 6 years in EvE.

In general i prefer pve style and pvp on occasion.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2013-01-07 05:30:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Quote:
If you want to get into PVP the worst thing you can do is try it solo.


There is no such thing like solo PVP. Maybe if you have multiple accounts. Every PVP is multiplayer experience, or two players, but not solo. That is what makes it worth your time.


I am the exception and there are many other. I like going after targets on my own.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk