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I heard it was reptilian shapeshifters from the future who removed all evidence of the mummies, to test our faith in Zahi Hawass.

There's actually zero evidence of anything being burned within the great pyramids. Not even a sign of candles or torches. Which has caused some confusion as to how they lighted the place.

You may be talking about all the other attempted copies of the Great Pyramids. They did bury themselves in Pyramids fashioned after the Great Pyramids, but The Great Pyramids themselves were not burial chambers.

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Become educated.


Stop believing in half baked theories and hoopla on the science channel.



Then come back and talk among men!

I don't watch TV, and what i have seen of ancient aliens bothers me.

These are subjects i've been studying for a good chunk of my life now, and i'm not going into it with a creationist bias, or a 'want to believe', i just find it interesting. If anyone can give me evidence to the contrary of anything i say please do. This isn't about ego to me.

I was actually trying to help your thread because i agreed with the OP, but it seems this is really about something else to you.

Not to dive too far into the discussion, although this has become interesting and thought provoking on multiple counts, but I do have a question on this topic based on the information suggested:

If the human race is as old as the OP proposed, what would you suppose or theorize was the catalyst for our only recent intellectual advancement over the course of such a small space of time relative to our overall existence? This perplexes me, although I may have missed something or may be confused and lost in the topic. Thanks :)

To quote myself previously as its easier



This is used to explain our slow progression early on. Fire was good enough for tens of thousands or possibly hundreds of thousands of years, as were stone tools. Then a sudden jump / gradual change in some cases.

Think about how closed minded people are today and negative against everything. People who thought the internet would never take off, that cars were just a fad, and flying was impractical.

Now imagine some early humans sitting around a fire.

"I think if I heat up this bit of shiny rock, the shiny will come out and I can make a better kind of spear."
"Nah," says the older human "flint works well enough, you dont want to be messing about with that cooking shiny rocks nonsense."

Thus the bronze age was forever delayed.

"If I plant this seed here, next time the sun is hot, there will be food here. If we plant lots of seeds, we will have lots of food and won't have to always follow the animals."
"Yeah but i dont like vegetables. I like meat. And whats the point of staying in one place?"

For people who have ever met anyone from certain parts of England you can almost picture this happening.

There's also the perpetual motion theory that argues that human invention starts slow and gets faster and faster. Think like the game civilisation, when you start nothing much happens for the first 100 or so turns, but by he 1850s you've got a massive civ and techs dont take long.

Either that, or due to Ice Ages which we would have survived 3-5 with the theory given in the OP, we might have regressed technologically several times. Or its possible that not everyone was advanced. Everyone today is not equal, why would people tens of thousands of years ago be? Maybe the farmers were driven away from the fertile lands by the rising waters and killed off by the barbarian hunter gatherers and the technology was lost? Like a true dark age.

All this is theory of course, but thats the best rational arguments I can come up with.

God did it

Multiple versions of Uranium decay detection, all independently done, all gave the exact same result in terms of time table. That is nor wild or desperate. It is how all science is done and in any other case it would be taken seriously. Since it is inconvenient here... it is not being taking into account at all.

The only "kink" in the science here is the notion of an ancient river passing through the spot in question. But the Diatom evidence removes that from the equation as well. If there was an ancient river there, the Diatom record would have absolutely reflected it and it does not. That means that those arrowheads lay where they were dropped, and were not disturbed by a river.

That leaves us with perfectly made stone arrowheads and ice age bones in ash dated MULTIPLE times at 250,000 years of age. Where do you study your science Akita? Because all the I's were dotted and all the T's crossed here. And now there is a house built on the sight.... how convenient.






Yes, and that is how most people feel about it. But let me point out again the first link that I provided, demonstrating that fossils were found in North America that were dated 50,000 years ago (again well before they were supposed to be present in north America) the guy who found them clearly says that they can be even older then that. That is a second sight. 50,000 years ago mankind was supposedly just beginning to exit from Africa.... not already having a strong presence in North America.

The current theory is wrong...
People are just being slow to accept that in the face of newly emerging facts in this new century.






I don't think that there is this committee of people twirling their mustaches and suppressing the truth out there somewhere. I think that the culprits think exactly the way that you do, when you said "low enough on my personal believability meter to not warrant significant additional attention". There are allot of people like that out there, thus, the reality of these new findings will be stuck in the mud until so much evidence emerges that a new generation of archeologists, young and hungry to make their name, brings it to light. Then we will see this evidence propping on in documentaries and on the internet. People will then go "oh yea I always suspected" in place of "meh".

This I have also pondered about greatly.


Egyptians and the Chinese were damning up rivers and cutting through mountains. Ancient peoples were building simple batteries to electroplate metals and to this day the architecture of the ancients styles represents finery and wealth. Even the Nazi's (um... can't say WWII German party? LOL) were planning on making a new city (if they had won) in the old roman design. Napoleon builds a roman arch in France too, and Roman architecture makes up the monuments in the united states own capital. So people, even today, are driven by symbols that were devised centuries ago. In other words, we still like it. Thus, maybe they did not want to change. Roman's like being Roman and Egyptians like being Egyptians for example.

Gun powered first emerged in china and spread west in a period of about fifty years. Suddenly the massive stone walls that kept cities safe from invasion would tumble under the power of cannon fodder. This is what turned Byzantium, the last remnants of the Roman empire, into today's Istanbul.


Steam engines are what made the industrial revolution possible and the principles stretch all the way back in time to ancient Greece. Like the battery, it is a very old idea. But never implemented because kings, emperors and pharaohs all were intent on building their legacy on the backs of cheap labor who lived in poverty. Why do you need a steam engine when you can have 1 million slaves create the great wall of china? If they complain you just kill them, and they breed fast enough to be an inexhaustible and renewable resource. How can a steam engine build that wall anyway? Even today we would be employing a labor force along size machinery.


With no walls to hide behind all of the great cities housing the old kings, emperors and pharaohs fell to the cannon. Never again would a stone fortress be so impenetrable.



How Will Kings Now Dominate The Masses?
Well... there is another tool that has always been effective. Religion. The "divine right of kings" and a Latin bible that only men of importance can read for starters. This is the era that gives Christianity a bad name in terms of scientific oppression. Allot of new ideas were smashed under the controlling checks and balances implemented by a few men in power. Power shared between kings and religious leaders of the time.




But Men Were Becoming More Numerous Do To Agriculture
Agricultural advancements became much more developed at this time. Although mankind and our ancestors may have been around for hundreds of thousand years, Earth itself is in a uniquely stable climate period that began about 10,000 years ago. That is about the same time that agriculture began to really take off and mankind began to grow in numbers. This is what allows for civilizations like Egypt and Rome to exist, a more stable climate and a more stable food source. (key point there is underlined )

Suddenly there was allot more people, and by the time that the mayflower set off for the Americas there was a hell of allot more people.




What is Now Different

It is no coincidence that some of the first great technological advancements occurred in the new world. People don't like to be wipped and they don't like back breaking, stone cutting work. They also don't like oppression. Suddenly there was allot of people three thousand miles away from their king or religious leaders. Suddenly there was no government on their soil to smack down new ideas.

It is no coincidence that some of the greatest advancements began in a country that divided church and state, and gave freedom to the population. Those innovations then quickly spread to the rest of the world (as gun powder did) and then people everywhere followed suit for the sake of wealth and power. Later on, germany was the home of a great many developments, and that too was tied to warfare.



War
War has always driven technological development. The next great wars would take already existing (and mostly weak technology) like the airplane made of balsa wood, and propel it to the bi-wings of world war I. After world war one technology stalled. World war II came and suddenly we have Spitfires and mustangs dominating the sky.


The cold war gave rise to jet fighters and lunar landings (all for the ego of men liken to the kings of old)



So:

1. mankind became more numerous do to an unprecedented era of climate stability on earth lasting 10,000 years
2. Gun powered invented in china ends all of the old civilizations protected by stone walls (and the emperors there in)
3. Mankind becomes even more numerous do to further agricultural developments
4. Mankind finds a new continent and frees themselves from those who dominate
5. Basic technology arises (as it always has) without being deemed useless by kings

And finally... 6.) War forces technological advancement at an unprecedented level



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