EVE General Discussion

I'm still trying to get an answer on the "Why," but "How" would be good too.

If you're losing enough of your bombers to matter when doing a bombing run, you're godawful at it. Especially now that cloaked bombers don't decloak each other. Bombing today is super-duper easymode compared to "First person in squad 1 go to perch 1 at 10km warping from P1, Second at 20k, etc." To say that you're unable to bomb effectively with modern bombing mechanics is just laughable.


How to safely bomb (not the only way to do it).
1. Land on Grid
2. Align to Celestial behind target
3. Decloak
4. Bomb
5. *Magic*
6. Warp away giggling

Let's see, change in bomber mechanics means BS fleets are just flat out unusable.

Oh well.

Not take sov necessarily - although this would be situational. Everything sov-related is still something that should require manpower...in most cases. Same for defending.

It is the harassment and effective economic damage that is the important part.

You see, if the really large alliances are busy fighting off countless of groups of small-fries, this will require effort and money to deal with. On top of that you still have the regular threats from other power-blocks, unlike now where they are the ONLY threat.

Sure, let's say for example that one of the powerblocks ends up crumbling after extensive harassment that is not handled properly + several large scale wars. Lots of free space to nab so maybe a bunch of the smaller groups nab themselves a system each or so. The odds that large groups would move in and take over would be minimal because they already have enough space to worry about as it is.

Reaching that crumbling point without pulling a goon infiltration like with BoB or alternatively similar internal backstabs requires economic collapse.

Judging by the consistent mass-production of capital ships ever since their introduction, I dare say that EVE probably haven't had a single collapse of an alliance based on economic failure, ever. Simply because there has never existed any economical targets that can be targeted at a reasonable risk and efficiency by small groups to begin with.

But hey, feel free to prove me wrong by presenting me any single powerblock today that is going in the red.

True, IT's space was eventually captured by intrepid FAIL renters, NEM3SIS due to sheer disinterest by all major sov entities.

The small groups aren't relevant because Alliance Income doesn't come from people actually living in alliance space. If 50% of an Alliance's income came from taxing their member's ratting income, the alliance would be concerned about a small gang running BLOPS fleets with a cloaky camping cov cyno. But since per the GSF financial spreadsheet, all their ratting Tax income for a full month comes out to a little more than 3 days of moon goo income, there's no reason for big alliances to care whether the ratters can rat or the miners can mine.

You keep insisting that the lack of space for small groups to properly destabilize larger groups is a game mechanical issue. As we've pointed out time and time again, small fleets can fight large fleets with great success. The problem is an economic one. The targets available for small groups are simply not important enough to the groups they represent.

As for getting people involved, that's also not a game mechanical issue. That's a social issue. You want smaller groups to get involved, get them involved. The big groups whose success you so decry did just that and continue to do just that or they'd be big, inactive, and soon to be dead groups.