Jita Park Speakers Corner

Ok so they were not actually completed by the CSM on the 28th but actually on the 5th a week later.

Just trying to get this time scale in order.

With the summit completed on the 14th of December you are still way ahead of last times 2 months.

While you are right and have valid points, echoing my own sentiments even, this is not exactly what happened.

CSM identified a window of opportunity, January, and stated that they would like to try to get the minutes done before then or as soon as possible. It would actually be disingenuous to assert that they promised to complete by Jan 1. At least I don't recall them saying that. Its just that we tend to drop "try" in our memories. (Same thing happens in many work environments where preliminary ETAs become deadlines as soon as you give them.)

I think the CSM has the same interest that I do here, trying to maximize that window of opportunity.

Snow Axe hits it on the head. Ya'll need to get your panties untwisted and shake out the sand.


Missed this gem though. They really ought to consult him from time to time. Economic impact of new features is important and should always be considered.

Pretty sure that's what Seleene just said the teams do. He is a resource, a producer of information to be used by others. He can tell you the rate at which a ship is produced, and he can tell you how much something is being harvested, but he will never be someone who says "you should nerf mineral compression to slow supercap growth". Those kinds of legislative decisions are the responsibility of the game designers, and Eyjo respects that separation very heavily.

This is also why he is not a stakeholder. Stakeholders are by definition people that are primarily affected by a given release effort (product users, designers, marketing dept, upper management) and have something heavily at stake in which features are included and what they look like. And while the good doctor certainly plays EVE, whether a region gets ****ed up or a game system crumbles apart and becomes useless, none of that affects his ability to analyze data and report on it, which is what CCP pays him to do.

Yeah, because I volunteered to take on a session CCP said that they would do themselves initially. Sweet Jesus talk about hairsplitting.

I don't know where we would be if we didn't have so many players working hard to HOLD US RESPONSIBLE. LOL.

I think that all is a good argument for him BEING a stakeholder. As the watchdog and guardian of the economy, he should be in the loop when, for example, two teams are doing something that both restrict mineral supply or some other high economic impact event.

Rather than have him doing post-mortems on "this is how you screwed up the economy", he could be suggesting changes that minimize the impact (and soon enough to get into the same release).

Isn't the economy a big enough part of eve to earn him a seat at the stakeholder's table?

EVE is a game where screwing up the economy is part of the game. Eyjo is fairly indifferent to the game designer's value judgements on what is a "good" or "bad" market effect. Including Eyjo as part of the game design decision-making process is like inviting the court reporter to testify on behalf of a defendant's character.

Screwing up the economy may be "part of the game" but that doesn't necessarily mean having CCP willingly (or more often, blindly) blowing huge gaping holes in it. See also FW farming and their very contrite post in which they went "whoops this is messing up the economy guys, soz ", for example.


Afraid not. Mynnna is who I write as on tm.com and it's who my largest single bloc of support will be most familiar with. Don't worry - I answer to (and own, for obvious reasons) Mynna as well, and come voting day you just have to click the appropriate button.

Me too! We talk almost daily about the things going on in the game, and there's a lot all of us* can learn (and have learned) from his expertise. Just take what he says with a grain of salt, him being a dirty rotten Goon and all who is probably out to destroy your game, steal your wives, eat your babies, and play with your toys**.

*Players in general.

**Not necessarily in that order.

You're right, you're right, I was being far too kind. I should have told them you wanted to play with their babies and eat their wives.