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The Cleansing of Dal

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Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#1 - 2013-01-05 11:49:14 UTC
Dal has fallen. After a 48 hour siege by 24th Crusade forces coordinated from a forward operating base in Siseide the Amarr Empire took control of the system and all station facilities. The siege of Dal was characterized by a few intense battles which saw over 500 ships lost during the last day of the siege as the Tribals sought to stem the tide.

Relative peace has now returned to Dal, and I have taken this opportunity to begin preparations for a proper clean up operations on its resident stations, starting with the Republic Fleet Assembly Plant. To this end I have moved men and material from my Amarr base to Dal:

http://www.amarrvictor.com/images/dal_supplies.jpg

After sufficient supplies have been moved, the following measures are taken to ensure proper order at the newly conquered stations:

Measures
- Martial law will be instated and curfews enforced during the transition period.
- False idols will be removed from public access corridors and put into secure storage vaults.
- Public areas will have to meet normal standards of propriety and cleanliness.
- Station docking managers will need to employ religious greetings as per Empire standard protocols.
- The grand tribal assembly hall will be remodeled and turned into a cathedral
- TLF affiliated personel left behind during the evacuation will be brought before a military tribunal and judged accordingly.
- Victory banners will be displayed on the outside of the station and in general hangar areas
- All children on station will receive mandatory schooling, such schooling will be paid for by the Empire.
- All station residents must kneel or curtsy when a 24th Crusade pilot that assisted in the Siege of Dal enters the area and furthermore treat them with a proper show of respect.

I am in consideration of other measures and am open to suggestions, but the above should be sufficient to ensure a relatively smooth transition.


Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-01-05 12:03:45 UTC
And people complain when we bring democracy to their systems.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-01-05 15:31:02 UTC
Amarr Victor! Your efforts and sacrifices will not go unremembered or unnoticed. It is the will and prowess of the pilots in the frontlines that bring further glory and power to the Empire. The 24th shall be proud today, once again, for it is the will of the Empress that has been fulfilled today a little more than yesterday.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Naira Shandr
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-01-05 15:43:09 UTC
Congratulations to all involved!
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#5 - 2013-01-05 16:33:27 UTC
You're bringing confirmed slavers into the system? What's all that crap I hear some Imperial apologists spout about "we don't take any new slaves" and "the era of slavery is coming to an end"? How can you possibly call yourself civilized? While I am no fan at all of any of the militia wars, your ruthlessness has just given credence to those who would beat the war drum and call for the glassing of your planets. And if you and yours keep up like this, I see less and less reason to disagree with them.

The Amarr Empire is surely the most regressive society in the cluster.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever

Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#6 - 2013-01-05 16:48:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
Its most natural to believe the 'slavers' are there to handle the actual slaves, not take new ones. Even then, not everyone believes in the direction of Empress Sarum and the political situation is far from clear cut. Honestly, from the reports I've seen involving the Republic and their sense of justice, I don't think anyone has the right to precariously judge another culture as being 'regressive', especially when the Amarr Empire has been making great progressive strides as of the late Empress. In fact I remember one particular report not too long ago talking about the ruthless beating and persecution of new freemen in refugee camps along the Amatar border by Thunker and other Matari tribes for not giving up their Amarrian faith.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#7 - 2013-01-05 16:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Streya Jormagdnir
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Honestly, from the reports I've seen involving the Republic and their sense of justice [...]


You falsely assume I am of the Republic's culture as well. I have spoken out against brutality and genocidal war-talk on the part of Matari individuals as well, on these very forums. Take a peak at the thread Alexia Morgan started. Such individuals are also regressive and consumed by rage. And yet, these are relatively small cabals as compared to the entire institution that is the Amarr Empire. How the largest spacefaring entity in the cluster can remain this backwards is beyond me. I would have thought centuries of exploration and defeat at the hands of others would have humbled the Imperials into reconsidered their role in the cluster.

I thought wrong.

Edit: And note in that report that both sides of the culture-clash were hostile. Also note that no particular tribe condoned any acts of violence. Rather, the violence arose locally within those refugee camps and is simply a symptom of putting hot-headed peoples of clashing cultures in the same camps. People tend not to care which gods you worship if you're not doing it in their face or bothering them with it.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever

Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2013-01-05 17:05:57 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Its most natural to believe the 'slavers' are there to handle the actual slaves, not take new ones.


Indeed mr. Louvaki, these people are brought in to manage the slaves, certainly not to enslave new ones.

Some people want to see evil (and regression) in others, but such things usually turn out to be a reflection of their own morals.
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#9 - 2013-01-05 17:10:16 UTC
Merdaneth wrote:


Indeed mr. Louvaki, these people are brought in to manage the slaves, certainly not to enslave new ones.




Then I hope you keep your word on the matter. Doing anything else will invalidate your position entirely.

Merdaneth wrote:

Some people want to see evil (and regression) in others, but such things usually turn out to be a reflection of their own morals.


That statement has no basis in logic at all.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#10 - 2013-01-05 17:31:54 UTC
Merdaneth wrote:
- Martial law will be instated and curfews enforced during the transition period.
- False idols will be removed from public access corridors and put into secure storage vaults.
- Public areas will have to meet normal standards of propriety and cleanliness.
- Station docking managers will need to employ religious greetings as per Empire standard protocols.
- The grand tribal assembly hall will be remodeled and turned into a cathedral
- TLF affiliated personel left behind during the evacuation will be brought before a military tribunal and judged accordingly.
- Victory banners will be displayed on the outside of the station and in general hangar areas
- All children on station will receive mandatory schooling, such schooling will be paid for by the Empire.
- All station residents must kneel or curtsy when a 24th Crusade pilot that assisted in the Siege of Dal enters the area and furthermore treat them with a proper show of respect.


And this is why I stayed out of the 24th. Crap like this is what creates people like Alexia Morgan. What ever happened to winning hearts & minds?

Merdaneth wrote:
I am in consideration of other measures and am open to suggestions, but the above should be sufficient to ensure a relatively smooth transition.


Yeah I've got a few. Throw out everything on that list except the schooling part, starting with all that mandatory butt-kissing garbage. That's only going to make them hate you more. Hate is how the TLF recruits people. Don't help the enemy by giving them more recruits.

As for military tribunals... just don't even go there. The Republic takes prisoners too, you know. I certainly know, that's for sure. A little amnesty can go a long way to getting our own people home safely.

Open a temple next to the tribal assembly hall. If you have to tear anything down to make room, tear out the bars and strip joints, not their seat of government. Then start cleaning up the litter yourselves. That's right, yourselves, or have your slaves do it. Set a good example for others to follow. Repaint the place. Install some working pluming - they'll love that. Be sure the refugee centers have adequate supplies of food, water and medicine. Run out the gangs. Find out which of the locals were taking money under the table from the pirate cartels and go after them instead. Cleansing is something better done with a wooden broom than an iron boot.

Make yourself a savior, not an oppressor, and maybe you'll be able to keep Dal in the long run.


Sepherim wrote:
The 24th shall be proud today, once again, for it is the will of the Empress that has been fulfilled today a little more than yesterday.


Whoa whoa whoa ... the will of the Empress? Citation needed, please.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2013-01-05 17:52:02 UTC
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
That statement has no basis in logic at all.


Let us list the accusations, you suggested that I am:

- regressive
- uncivilized
- ruthless
- asking for others to beat war drums and glass planets
- illogical

How would you rate placing a bounty on someone's head, thereby suggesting you want people to try and to kill them, without verifying facts, without a trial, without even talking that person? Rate it on the attributes above please?
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#12 - 2013-01-05 17:52:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
Simon Louvaki wrote:
Honestly, from the reports I've seen involving the Republic and their sense of justice [...]


You falsely assume I am of the Republic's culture as well. I have spoken out against brutality and genocidal war-talk on the part of Matari individuals as well, on these very forums. Take a peak at the thread Alexia Morgan started. Such individuals are also regressive and consumed by rage. And yet, these are relatively small cabals as compared to the entire institution that is the Amarr Empire. How the largest spacefaring entity in the cluster can remain this backwards is beyond me. I would have thought centuries of exploration and defeat at the hands of others would have humbled the Imperials into reconsidered their role in the cluster.

I thought wrong.


I assume nothing of you, though the fact you jumped at the chance to down the Amarrians for bringing in slavers to the system and ran strait to the accusation that they were going to take more slaves certainly doesn't speak virtuously of your a-political self-styling. For the Empire to progress to your state of 'present' virtues, it must have time and righteous direction. The reformation of an entire culture, spanning billions of people with a deep holding in religious righteousness and justification built on the teaching of God is not something your going to rectify through harsh words and criticism.

Streya Jormagdnir wrote:

Edit: And note in that report that both sides of the culture-clash were hostile. Also note that no particular tribe condoned any acts of violence. Rather, the violence arose locally within those refugee camps and is simply a symptom of putting hot-headed peoples of clashing cultures in the same camps. People tend not to care which gods you worship if you're not doing it in their face or bothering them with it.


My criticism is aimed at that the Republic is ill fit and too inexperienced to deal with the growing problem of returning Matari. They show no understanding that recent freeman are not all going to simply flock to the Republic and fall into their niche society, which to say is hardly that progressive in the first place (Democracy, if you can call it that in the Republic, does not mean progressive thinking). Whats worse is the Republic shows no organization, relying on the Sister of Eve to handle the problem they've been demanding to be solved and with no cultural insight into the Amarrian faith or culture in which they can properly integrate the freeman into Republic society.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2013-01-05 18:45:06 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:

And this is why I stayed out of the 24th. Crap like this is what creates people like Alexia Morgan. What ever happened to winning hearts & minds?


You don't win hearts and minds by kissing ass, you win them by staying true to your principles and being honest and straightforward.

One can reconciliate and heal wounds by finding the truth and punishing those who have committed war crimes and absolving those who didn't. Having old wounds fester is not the right way. One needs to clean house if one wants to start over.

As for the location of the Cathedral, it was simply the most expedient place on the upper decks, being large enough to contain a large mass of people.

Of course I will make sure that enough food and medicine are available. That is partly why I brought the antibiotics.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2013-01-06 02:14:11 UTC
Merdaneth wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:

And this is why I stayed out of the 24th. Crap like this is what creates people like Alexia Morgan. What ever happened to winning hearts & minds?


You don't win hearts and minds by kissing ass, you win them by staying true to your principles and being honest and straightforward.

One can reconciliate and heal wounds by finding the truth and punishing those who have committed war crimes and absolving those who didn't. Having old wounds fester is not the right way. One needs to clean house if one wants to start over.

As for the location of the Cathedral, it was simply the most expedient place on the upper decks, being large enough to contain a large mass of people.

Of course I will make sure that enough food and medicine are available. That is partly why I brought the antibiotics.



I find myself caught between your two positions here. Bring them the rule of law, but you have to show that their quality of life will improve under the new regime - even WITH enlightened self-interest on your side, you'll be looking at a fair amount of resistance.

And, quite frankly, you ought to be co-opting local governance structures, not ripping them out and trying to replace them with a religion that will not attract many converts at first.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#15 - 2013-01-06 02:17:20 UTC
I observed the presence of many Janitors on that ship.

So, the Cleansing of Dal begins with a good mop down and polishing of things?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#16 - 2013-01-06 02:24:46 UTC
The Ammater Mandate was not conquered by fleets but by Faith. The only planets of ours that have suffered did so at the hands of Republic terrorists. There is a lesson to be learned there. I hope it is not lost on the 24th.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-01-06 07:25:05 UTC
I try to remain impartial regarding the events of the militia war-powers zones, but I must agree with Katran. Admittedly, it's deeply disturbing to see such haughtiness on behalf of the Amarr concerning the capture of my system of birth.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-01-06 08:53:42 UTC
Ask your friends in the State (not that I imagine a rat like you has a great many) what happened last time they started treating occupied enemy systems as if they were permanent acquisitions.

Let me give you a hint: it was by no means anything resembling pretty.

Incidentally, showing a picture of you transporting contraband into Republic territory in a Bestower is utterly meaningless. Many such claims have been made by all sides and none are worth the paper they're printed on. Until I hear something from a reputable source - someone like Sharou Naznsad, who, while obviously not being entirely trustworthy, would at least be accountable to some superiors if she were to publicly tell outright lies about the situation - I'm going to assume that the situation in Dal is essentially "business as usual with flight restrictions" for its citizens. That's how it is in almost any other system in a contested zone right now.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2013-01-06 13:01:45 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
The Ammater Mandate was not conquered by fleets but by Faith. The only planets of ours that have suffered did so at the hands of Republic terrorists. There is a lesson to be learned there. I hope it is not lost on the 24th.


Yes, however the Nefantar chose to convert and join the Empire willingly (note that I do not say they were conquered). They now live in a semi autonomous Mandate.

It might be a slightly different case for the citizens of Dal. Please note that I do not disagree with your assesments, though.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#20 - 2013-01-08 00:45:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
You're bringing confirmed slavers into the system? What's all that crap I hear some Imperial apologists spout about "we don't take any new slaves" and "the era of slavery is coming to an end"? How can you possibly call yourself civilized? While I am no fan at all of any of the militia wars, your ruthlessness has just given credence to those who would beat the war drum and call for the glassing of your planets. And if you and yours keep up like this, I see less and less reason to disagree with them.

The Amarr Empire is surely the most regressive society in the cluster.


You should see what Tribal troops do to an occupied station. We might not be nice when we take a system, but at least we're civilized about it.

Seriously, just guess at what an unsupervised Valkear does to an Amarrian chapel, let alone a living Amarrian person. Go ahead.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

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