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Missions Blitzing?
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Dee Cryptor
Steel Capital investments
#1 - 2011-10-24 10:52:42 UTC
I have seen and read some topics on these forums that boast about how much isk per hour you can make blitzing missions, But what I do not entirely understand is how you do it without loosing the agent?

I seem to think that you will loose standings with the agent if you turn down more than one mission in any 4 hour period, is this correct?

And if it is correct how do you choose the missions worth running? do you just use multiple agents?

Also, is there a list of missions ordered in a fashion to show the best isk making missions from top to bottom/worst.


Thank you for any help on this.

o7
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-10-24 11:14:09 UTC
Blitzing is just completing the mission as fast as possible. It's for people earning off of the LP rather than the Bounties and loot. So you keep the agent you just do not clear the room rather doing the minimal necessary to get the mission completion. Say in Cargo Delivery grabbing the cargo and warping out without killing the rats. You still get credit for the mission and the full LP award. You do lose standing with the agent for 2 declines in the same 4 hours but there are ways around that. First you can have many agents within a few systems of each other. If you are blitzing you can carry spare tank and plenty of ammo in your cargo and just run a circuit. Say mission one for an hour before you have a second turn down move to the next.
For your other question you have to figure it out yourself. Not that I am keeping secrets but simply put the market is always changing so what is a good LP return today might not be next week. Regardless the actual isk mission reward is your lowest payout. it will be less than the value of the salvage should you chose that route. And unless you are doing drones much less than the bounties. But the LP value depends on the LP store and the market. ( and often enough the cost of the tags or other items you have to spend besides LP). And those values change all of the time. It's a spreadsheet sort of problem. Yes I have one. No you cannot peek.

90% of of the time my posts are about something I actually find interesting and want to learn more about. Do not be alarmed.

stoicfaux
#3 - 2011-10-24 12:16:11 UTC
Dee Cryptor wrote:

I seem to think that you will loose standings with the agent if you turn down more than one mission in any 4 hour period, is this correct?


You get access to an agent based on your corporation standings and/or based on your faction (Minmatar, Gallente, etc.) standings. Meaning, you need either a 5.0 corp standings or a 5.0 faction standings to use a level 4 agent. When you decline a mission, your corporation standings drop significantly, but your faction standings take a almost inconsequential hit.

The trick is to grind your faction standings up. Based solely on faction standings, you can then decline dozens of missions in a row without your faction standings dropping below 5.0, and then you can more than make up for the standings loss back with a storyline missions.

However, you can still lose access to your agent if your *corporation* standing drops below -2.0, (even if your faction standing is still high.) Overall, it's not a concern unless you really are declining dozens of missions in a row.

tl;dr Use faction standings to "safely" decline multiple missions in a 4 hour period.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Dee Cryptor
Steel Capital investments
#4 - 2011-10-24 13:05:42 UTC
Faction standings, That is very interesting to hear. Thankyou very much for that information.

I never asked for best LP returns on missions, I can figure out myself what items to convert with the LP's I earn, but thanks for your help as well JitaJane.


Has anyone compiled a list of missions that are best to run to maximize your time spent. Or maybe more specifically which ones are poor isk earning missions for the time involved? Like Buzz Kill which I really find annoying and far to time consuming for the rewards.

o7
Tyrone Cashmoney
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-10-24 23:32:46 UTC
I'll skip Buzz Kill and The Blockade whenever they are offered by a level 4 agent. They are much too time consuming for me.

The fastest level 4 mission I can blitz that I've come across so far is the Recon arc. I can just use a frigate to reach a goal on the first two, and a fast, tanked ship for the third.
Qalix
Long Jump.
#6 - 2011-10-25 00:12:20 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
The trick is to grind your faction standings up. Based solely on faction standings, you can then decline dozens of missions in a row without your faction standings dropping below 5.0, and then you can more than make up for the standings loss back with a storyline missions.

However, you can still lose access to your agent if your *corporation* standing drops below -2.0, (even if your faction standing is still high.) Overall, it's not a concern unless you really are declining dozens of missions in a row.

OP, be warned though, this destroys your corporation standing for jump clones, trading costs, and refining.

Blitzing is nothing more than completing the mission triggers/flags without stopping to loot, salvage, etc.
Korsiri
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-10-25 02:57:22 UTC
Dee Cryptor wrote:
Faction standings, That is very interesting to hear. Thankyou very much for that information.

I never asked for best LP returns on missions, I can figure out myself what items to convert with the LP's I earn, but thanks for your help as well JitaJane.


Has anyone compiled a list of missions that are best to run to maximize your time spent. Or maybe more specifically which ones are poor isk earning missions for the time involved? Like Buzz Kill which I really find annoying and far to time consuming for the rewards.

o7




Do you use mission reports? http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports
There's pretty good notes on blitzing (how to/which ones are generally amenable to it) in the comments etc.

Personally I find it varies a good bit, depending what ship/fit you're using, but the comments/notes are very helpful. I shouldn't think it'd be too hard to come up with some of your own that work for how you run your missions. They're pretty repetitive and you get used to knowing which ones you can do quickly. But no, I dunno of a list especially for blitzing, myself. Maybe someone else does, though. Good luck :)
yumike
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-10-25 08:54:34 UTC
Blitz'ing missions is more for 'rep grinding' rather than earning isk.
Dee Cryptor
Steel Capital investments
#9 - 2011-10-25 09:45:00 UTC
Thanks, I do use the mission guide site a lot, mostly because for some reason I can never remember one mission from another, its like being dyslexic or something.

I ran about 12 missions last night and turned down maybe 15 in total, my standings went from 8.54 to 8.52 so that is not too bad, however I did not think to check the corp standing I mission from, will do that today as I am concerned
(now) that I may have damaged my refine and trade costs.

I just figured I must be doing something wrong after reading posts that state they are making 100m an hour running missions as I hardly ever hit half of that and on average I would guess about 30m to 35m.
I fly a T2 fitted Mach with an officer c-type large booster, faction Invul (just one) and faction damage mods, typical Mach fit from Battleclinic.

EFT 1000+ gank
EFT 750+ tank
Cap last for a bit over 3 minutes

Most missions I hardly use the booster because the mission is complete before the shields get to 55% so Cap is not an issue and I never have to do anything but pulse it on harder missions. Like the bonus room on AE.

I'm not bragging at all, just trying to understand what I am doing wrong compared to someone that is earning 80 to 100m an hour.

Thanks for all the replies, they have been very helpful.

o7
tofucake prime
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#10 - 2011-10-25 13:37:11 UTC
100m+ per hour comes from having a reliable and immediate LP purchaser, which very few people have. You can talk to Every Day Low Prices (corp), as they buy a lot of Gallente and Amarr LP. IIRC they give 1.2k/LP, so with good skills and a lowsec agent (lol not in a mach) you could hit 100m pretty easily.
stoicfaux
#11 - 2011-10-25 15:04:20 UTC
Dee Cryptor wrote:

I just figured I must be doing something wrong after reading posts that state they are making 100m an hour running missions as I hardly ever hit half of that and on average I would guess about 30m to 35m.

Most missions I hardly use the booster because the mission is complete before the shields get to 55% so Cap is not an issue and I never have to do anything but pulse it on harder missions. Like the bonus room on AE.

I'm not bragging at all, just trying to understand what I am doing wrong compared to someone that is earning 80 to 100m an hour.



The 100M an hour isn't liquid isk as tofucake pointed out. Normally a large chunk of that 100M is LP. Which means you need to convert that LP (and loot and salvage) into isk at some point. Which means you need to mission for a "good" corporation that has items that have a good conversion rate, that have a decent supply of tags, and/or have a decent market volume.

Tofucake's LP buyer idea is interesting. If that doesn't appeal to you, than you can sell your LP for implants, skillbooks, and faction ammo, which has a low isk/LP conversion rate, but has a high enough market volume that you can normally sell them quickly.

LP is the biggest reason to blitz missions. If a mission gives 3,000 lp and can be run in 6 minutes and if you can get a 2,000 isk/lp conversion rate, then that's a million isk per minute. Trying to get a million isk per minute in bounties isn't feasible in most missions. However, it still takes time to convert the LP to isk while maintaining a decent isk/LP ratio, so folks normally convert a bunch of LP at once and contract it to a market alt to sell over time.

Anyway. You can do your research and sell items "slowly" to get decent isk for your LP, or you can dump LP at 800 to 1,000 isk/LP in order to quickly generate liquid isk.

Here's a thread by Cipher Jones where he converts LP to isk quickly: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=15990

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Mall Reind
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#12 - 2011-10-25 16:52:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Mall Reind
tofucake prime wrote:
100m+ per hour comes from having a reliable and immediate LP purchaser, which very few people have. You can talk to Every Day Low Prices (corp), as they buy a lot of Gallente and Amarr LP. IIRC they give 1.2k/LP, so with good skills and a lowsec agent (lol not in a mach) you could hit 100m pretty easily.

We also buy several Minmatar corp LP. We buy at a flat rate of 1200 isk/LP, which is an amazing rate, if I may so myself. This may be slightly lower than some of the other numbers that you hear about, but those are for more 'unique' and niche markets that take long times to manage and fluctuate a lot, and require you to do all your work.

The main reason for using services like mine is that we deal with all the research, .01ing buying low/selling high, manufacturing, couriering etc for you. When you start having enough LP to sell, we deliver tags to your door (usually within 24 hours), tell you exactly what items to buy and then buy everything you can produce. This means that you don't have to spend time doing all of this (it takes up 90% of my time on EVE right now since I have many customers), using that time to simply mission more and make more isk that way. This ends up being more profitable for most missioners.

If you have any questions don't hesitate to send me a message on Tyraqt.
stoicfaux
#13 - 2011-10-25 17:09:52 UTC
Mall Reind wrote:

We also buy several Minmatar corp LP.


Which corps?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Mall Reind
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#14 - 2011-10-25 17:21:34 UTC
You can look in my corp description for a full list of Gallente, Minmatar and Amarr corps that I buy LP from.