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Bulk Invention - Queue X invention jobs in one Go
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Naeron Successor
Nomad Ore Extraction
#1 - 2013-01-05 12:23:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Naeron Successor
Used the search function and browsed the common ideas and while there are already some posts addressing this, they are not proposing a solution. If there is already a thread for this, please link to it, so I can support that thread.

The "issue"
As highlighted already multiple times in this forum, the invention process with say three Alts and thus 30 slots is a very tiresome and frustrating activity. Evenmore so, if the invention cycle is just above one hour. These attributes shouldn't be connected to a game.

The intuitive and currently unsuccessful approach
First time I encountered this "issue" I tried an intuitive way to queue several invention jobs in one Go: simply by selecting multiple BPCs in the inventory and selecting the "invention" context menue item. However although all BPCs remain selected, after clicking through the invention dialogs, only one invention job and BPC gets queued.

Proposed solution
Please expand the UI, that if multiple BPCs are selected, the invention dialogs will change to a "multiple invention" dialog, which differs from the normal dialog by:

  • Selecting only the installation, not an individual slot
  • Summary material list for all slots to be allocated

In the background the code would check as normal the free research jobs the character can still allocate and then queue up as many jobs as possible and BPCs selected into the selected installation.

Example

  1. Select five BPCs
  2. Rightclick, select "Invention"
  3. Select a mobile lab from the installation list (No slot selection!)
  4. Select T1 items and decryptors, if available at that installation
  5. Get a summary displayed (eg. 10 datacores X used, ...)
  6. Confirm

As a result, all five slots of the Mobile lab would have an invention job according to the BPCs selected.

Q&A
What if in the above example three slots are already taken?
The code should queue the jobs to those slots with the least waiting time. It might be nice to get a summary of the job wait and runtimes in the summary window.

What if you selected more BPCs than the installation has slots?
As above, the jobs should get queued to the slots with least waiting time.

How many data interfaces should be used?
I could live with it, if the number of data interface had to be present corresponding to the number of jobs you want to start in one Go. Thus creating the necessity to make an investment in order to save clicks. Best would be of course, if only one is needed.

What if there aren't enough datacores, skill slots, ...
Same handling as currently
Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
#2 - 2013-01-05 12:57:24 UTC
Oh yes pls. I can deliver 10 inventions in one go but can't start them the same way.

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Juwi Kotch
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-01-05 13:03:24 UTC
Just clicking the mouse is no fun and does not make sense at all, if removing it would not unbalance anything. So YES for this request!

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Jajas Helper
#4 - 2013-01-05 13:31:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jajas Helper
Although i would love not having to click as much as i do now...

I am against making the invention even "easier" -> the more of you are doing this to more competition i have to deal with...


either ccp makes inventions harder to work/succeed - skills/time or whatever or just scare the guys who can't do simple math by the clickfest that is inventions.

if you dont know what i'm saying:
" i mined these minerals so they are free, your own fault if you dont mine the minerals yourself"

Everyday ;)
and then they come on the forums after seeing their wallet go down and blame ccp for fail and T2bpo owners for not making it profitable...

then market is crashed for us who try and make a good profit and we stockpile for a week or two.. to then see another "i'm new to this'-guys trying out the magical isk fountain.

SO make inventions harder imo.

ps; yes i do inventions: with all 10 of my accounts, and I stockpile my intire corp and friendly corporations.
(takes about 1-2 hrs clicking a day but realisticly... making it easier will just bring to many more competition, drain the markets for materials faster and stockpiles bigger then they already are)

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-stuff-
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-01-05 15:02:31 UTC
Please, this, please. My mouse will love you forever.

Same, to a lesser extent, with manufacturing would be awesome. Select multiple BPCs/BPOs, right click -> manufacture. Sure, probably will require they all have the same number of runs made, but for those manufacturing of invented T2 BPCs or faction BPCs, it'll be very nice.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-01-05 18:05:12 UTC
I support this.
You even tantalize us by having the right click menu show the number!
Zann Mei
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-01-06 16:37:05 UTC
Jajas Helper wrote:
Although i would love not having to click as much as i do now...

I am against making the invention even "easier" -> the more of you are doing this to more competition i have to deal with...


either ccp makes inventions harder to work/succeed - skills/time or whatever or just scare the guys who can't do simple math by the clickfest that is inventions.

if you dont know what i'm saying:
" i mined these minerals so they are free, your own fault if you dont mine the minerals yourself"

Everyday ;)
and then they come on the forums after seeing their wallet go down and blame ccp for fail and T2bpo owners for not making it profitable...

then market is crashed for us who try and make a good profit and we stockpile for a week or two.. to then see another "i'm new to this'-guys trying out the magical isk fountain.

SO make inventions harder imo.

ps; yes i do inventions: with all 10 of my accounts, and I stockpile my intire corp and friendly corporations.
(takes about 1-2 hrs clicking a day but realisticly... making it easier will just bring to many more competition, drain the markets for materials faster and stockpiles bigger then they already are)

Maybe they should incorporate a sudoku puzzle that you would need to solve before you'd be allowed to click any button during the process.

Just for you and your "challenge", of course.
Zack Dgrow
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-07 18:31:21 UTC
A big yes for this request
warock
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-01-08 10:38:21 UTC
yes please!
Epsilon Bathana
EPS Kings
#10 - 2013-01-08 13:56:38 UTC
Yes please.

Also when installing the inventions, I have the BPCs in the cargo space of a particular lab, yet I have to select an assembly line in the dialog. Shouldn't the default be a line of the lab the BPCs are in?
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-01-10 15:04:13 UTC
I'd support this as long as it wasn't possible in NPC stations.

...

Mahrah
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-01-10 17:51:57 UTC
I'm considering leaving EVE because of this. Take waaaaay too long to queue up 10 invention slots and 10 manufacturing slots. I have to click over 100 times per day. Carpel tunnel much? That's without logistics of course, just the slots.

I also don't see why this would be anything but a timesaver. It just saves the player time.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#13 - 2013-01-10 20:30:24 UTC

I absolutely, 100% support the creation of Bulk industry options.

However, I think starting from "right click BPC" should not be the "only" approach.

I'd also like to start from the industry interface and go to an "installation" (be it for copying, inventing, ME, or PE), and then just drag and drop BPCs/BPOs into slots, enter ME/PE/Copy levels, etc... hit start job and have all jobs start...

Also, having the ability to set "default" parameters for Number of Runs per BPC or ME levels to research or .... would also be very nice!
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-01-10 21:24:33 UTC
supported.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
#15 - 2013-01-13 03:05:43 UTC
Supported.

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Crimeo Khamsi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-01-13 06:17:30 UTC
Quote:
Although i would love not having to click as much as i do now...

I am against making the invention even "easier" -> the more of you are doing this to more competition i have to deal with...


In other words, "I admit that the only reason my career is viable is because I value my time so little that I am willing to mindlessly click more times than other people are willing to mindlessly click."

That makes me seriously sad.

The reason Eve is great and unique is because it consistently rewards intellect, creativity, and player skill, instead of things like dumb luck, reflexes or good eyesight. If that's what you're after, then what you're looking for is a first person shooter, not Eve.

Any time that this game rewards rapid clicking, for any reason, something is wrong, and that problem should be addressed. +1
Gunlab
Labby Transports
#17 - 2013-01-20 10:50:17 UTC
+1 its annoying as **** to click and click and click and click and click and click
Naeron Successor
Nomad Ore Extraction
#18 - 2013-01-27 15:18:52 UTC
So what is the normal way a feature request progresses?
It get's lost in bulk of random posts and the DEVs never comment on it?

It would be nice to know, if it was technically as easy to implement, as it looks and if there is any chance, that it will make its way on a ToDo list at any position. That way we tormented clickers at least know, that the issue is known to CCP.
Tat'l Eon
Boosh Fleet Inc.
#19 - 2013-03-30 20:12:10 UTC
I wholeheartly support this improvement suggestion.

Clicking 5 windows to set up an invention or manufacturing job is really tedious.
especially when you have to wait 5 to 10 seconds for the blueprint menu to load every time you want to start an invention, copy or manufact. job