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Corp Member Issues on POS

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Nadja Dobrovodsky
Raccoon Covenant
Fraternity.
#1 - 2013-01-05 02:45:51 UTC
Ok, to say this briefly.

Our Corp has a POS and we have a Corp Hangar Array. We have more than 20 corpmates but we need to have a personal hangar for each member inside the array, the limit is 7, WHY ???? How dificult is this to have more?

Any work arounds ? (Dont tell me to warp to the station)
Putting Containers inside the array is not the idea. But can we insert freight containters and take them out without issues?
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#2 - 2013-01-05 03:17:26 UTC
Nope, 7 is the limit in any corp hanger both in station and at POS. It is tied to the fact that a corp can only have 7 wallets as well. Towers are unfortunately not well suited for personal belongings unless you are the only one in corp. You may be able to put secure cans in the hanger and let your corp mates use them, but otherwise personal space is limited at a pos unless you anchored multiple corp hangers.

I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2013-01-05 03:45:13 UTC
Quote:
[EVE Online's Senior Producer Jon] Lander [a.k.a. CCP Unifex] touched on player owned structures such as starbases. “The underlying code for that is horrible, it really has grown up as spaghetti over eight years, so that’s something that we’re looking at, and we’re considering where that best fits into our development plans.”

http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=31508
Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
#4 - 2013-01-05 04:12:58 UTC
Anchor multiple Corp Hangars or use (audit) containers within the Hangar.

Dear lord, please help me deal with the insufferable....

Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
#5 - 2013-01-05 04:44:56 UTC
Or everyone uses its own industrial ship for personal stuff and stores it in the ship hangar.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2013-01-05 04:56:54 UTC
Invictra Atreides wrote:
Or everyone uses its own industrial ship for personal stuff and stores it in the ship hangar.

Which isn't secure.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#7 - 2013-01-05 07:28:06 UTC
Spectre Wraith wrote:
Anchor multiple Corp Hangars or use (audit) containers within the Hangar.



what would that solve, if you've got access to 1 Corp Hangar array then surely you've got access to ALL Corp Hangar Arrays.



It's been an issue for ever, and as Tau says, they're looking at it, but don't hold your breath. Starbase stuff doesn't need a minor tweak, it needs nuking with a very big nuke and starting again. But I fear they won't listen to the people who use them and do what they feel like.

There isn't a good secure solution for having stuff in space if you've not got a station you can get to, only a couple of bodges that people have come up with...

Alts in industrials that you log in and get your stuff out of, (very messy, and needs more than one account)

Anchoring GSC's inside the pos field, and you set your own password (Not an ideal solution, 3,900 m3 per can isn't much storage)

Are a couple of bodges, not great solutions, but short of everyone having carrier alts so you can dock your stuff in there.

One thing I would love to see is the option to turn off E-Warp when you log in, say on a timer, so if you've been out of the game for a few hours, give you the option to cancel it, that would be very nice so your ship didn't warp 10000000000 gazillion KM away from the pos and back again before you can use it. But that's another thing :)
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#8 - 2013-01-05 17:24:33 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Quote:
[EVE Online's Senior Producer Jon] Lander [a.k.a. CCP Unifex] touched on player owned structures such as starbases. “The underlying code for that is horrible, it really has grown up as spaghetti over eight years, so that’s something that we’re looking at, and we’re considering where that best fits into our development plans.”

http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=31508


Nice article linked there. Personally I think a full iteration on the Corp/Alliance Roles & Permissions especially with regards to their interaction with POSes should be at the top of the list for work on EVE Online. Corporations & Alliances are the central element within New Eden and it is unanimously acknowledged the interface for them is totally not user friendly.

A number of the changes in Retribution have not been well received and/or a reason for their introduction has not been given. Examples of this would be the removal of the Jukebox, changes to the Orca corp hanger, sticking a knife in Gallente ie difficulty in using drones, increasing amounts of minerals needed to build ships etc etc.

It would be nice to see work being done on the EVE Online that could be genuinely welcomed by everyone that plays the game. Fixing the Corp/Alliance Roles & Permissions interface would make everyone smile. Lets do it Attention

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Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#9 - 2013-01-07 15:05:55 UTC
POS stuff is really FUBAR.

We anchor multiple CHAs and give everyone a tab. If powergrid is an issue, you have to online and offline as needed. We also use multiple CHA for added security. Access to each individual CHA can be set to "corp", "starbase fuel tech" or "config starbase equipment". Thus, you have some control over who can access whos gear. Helps mitigate theft. We do the same access thing with the Ship Maintenance Arrays.

Sometimes I think CCP likes to keep this stuff simple and FUBAR so-as to enable corp theft and drama.
Solotta Erquilenne
#10 - 2013-01-07 15:12:34 UTC
Backfyre wrote:

Sometimes I think CCP likes to keep this stuff simple and FUBAR so-as to enable corp theft and drama.


It seems to encourage corp structures where directors have to do all the work to run the poses, but similarly reap most of the benefits. Or otherwise a system where directors get to have personal poses for their own uses, but other members can't really. In Indy corps it encourages a system where people that want to run a pos have to stay in a corp by themselves or run a corp with members that don't have the same need for their own pos as the ceo.

However, I don't think adjusting the hangar division tabs in corporate hangars is really a good fix.
Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
#11 - 2013-01-07 15:26:42 UTC
I'm really hoping CCP takes a good hard look at individual asset security with the new POS revamp, which it sounds like they are, but CCP has made implications before that never came to fruition.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-01-07 17:24:22 UTC
Just have your corp mates train an alt character to be able to fly a standard industrial and have them store their personal items in that. When they need items just login the storage toon and grab what they need. Or if they do it on a single account have the alt login, drop what is needed in the corp hangar and log back in their main toon.

Or have each player setup their own POS with a password set to protect their items.

Yes it's a pain with the current system, but you have to work with what you got.
Media Jessup
Nuka-Cola
#13 - 2013-01-07 17:33:11 UTC
Best idea I've heard is the station containers. Rename them and assign one to each corp member and then assign them each a password. If its for ore buyback, do no password and have it drop in only.
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Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#14 - 2013-01-07 18:02:21 UTC
Station containers could have been a "win" if you could open them in the POS. That way, you could use PW protected cans and just remove "container take" permissions. Using cans keeps gear separated and can be used to limit how much space any member takes up. It does not address theft. It is also a PITA if you are trying to refit your ship. You have to get into a hauler, move can to hauler, open it, take items you want out and drop on hangar floor, get the ship you wanted to fit back out, fit components to ship. If you forgot something, get the hauler back out...

It works and has merits but so do adult diapers on road trips.
celebro
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#15 - 2013-01-07 18:02:22 UTC
Best solution: Private POS hangers unlimited space and transfers has to be done through the traditional arrays. Unlimited number just like in stations. What's the issue?
Draven MCcloud
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-01-07 18:26:51 UTC
celebro wrote:
Best solution: Private POS hangers unlimited space and transfers has to be done through the traditional arrays. Unlimited number just like in stations. What's the issue?

Huh?


any way living in POS's is rough especially if corp mates are untrustworthy....the best and only real solution to this is to drop a GSC in space PW and bookmark it..i do offgrid from the pos about 500km.....Just note they can found although very difficult.....its wat we did in big alliances
Nadja Dobrovodsky
Raccoon Covenant
Fraternity.
#17 - 2013-01-24 22:48:23 UTC
Inside the corp we have miners so, if we all mine diferent, some will get more and some will get less than what they earned if we deposit it all to a "mining" tab inside the Corp Hangar. So, yes a big container with each member's name which mines is usefull but will take too much space because it uses the entire m3.
We really need to have something done here. Say, for example a WH corp goes to a WH, and they got miners, how would someone distinguish from each others ores?

I also though of a Silo but that thing uses so much freaking powergrid as to the m3 cargo that it provides. so thats a no go. having each member a POS is stupiditly ridiculous.
Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
#18 - 2013-01-25 00:20:14 UTC
For mining in a WH an option would be to sell the ore to the Corp. The whole process of storing ORE would be enforced by strict rules.

Being lazy with paperwork would kill this kind of handling ORE tho.

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Eric Raeder
No Fee Too High
#19 - 2013-01-25 07:16:03 UTC
Nadja Dobrovodsky wrote:
Inside the corp we have miners so, if we all mine diferent, some will get more and some will get less than what they earned if we deposit it all to a "mining" tab inside the Corp Hangar. So, yes a big container with each member's name which mines is usefull but will take too much space because it uses the entire m3.
We really need to have something done here. Say, for example a WH corp goes to a WH, and they got miners, how would someone distinguish from each others ores?

I also though of a Silo but that thing uses so much freaking powergrid as to the m3 cargo that it provides. so thats a no go. having each member a POS is stupiditly ridiculous.


Silos are useless for storing anything that doesn't need to feed or be drawn from a reactor or mining array. For serious storage (beyond the pitiful 1.4 million cubic meters of a corp hangar array) use a large ship assembly array. If you don't need to build T1 ships use an advanced large ship assembly array, which costs the same but holds slightly more.

As for controlling access, I have no good answers. You can give players individual POS's or divide them into small groups each sharing a POS, with access restricted by forcefield password. A horrible nuisance, yes, but about the best that can be done with current game mechanics.

The bottom line: don't give people access to your POS storage unless you really, really trust them... and even then, assume some asshat will throw a ragefit and steal the corp blind eventually.
Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-01-25 12:30:31 UTC
A possible way, is to group people into groups of 5. Anchor a POS for them, set a password that only they know. Assign each of them a different Hangar Tab. They store their bling ships and items in those tabs. That should work...