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Tengu for Level 4 not working
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Alagos Thum
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-01-04 08:59:27 UTC
Here's what my main runs with:

[Tengu, missions]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II

EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Note about shield booster: I used a Gistii small for a very long time and perma running the whole fit. However, bad experience in Worlds Collide right after Retribution led me to replace it with medium Pithum shield booster, which gives me substantially more burst tank. Safety over cap stability, I say.

DPS is around 1k at 25km and about 700 at 45 km. It's not Mach, but it's still a hell of a fun to fly.
Allko
Zero Tax services
#22 - 2013-01-04 10:41:33 UTC
Well ... raw dps is not always the key to run missions faster.
Here`s fev things to compare with Mach

Tengu does not use drones and since the last expansion... id say drones are a bit of an headake now
Mach will have to kill them for shure since it does have to move. (web, scram)

Lock time. After being jammed (if u ever get jammed in Tengu) you can lock BS in 3sec, frigs in ~6sec. (it looks like NPC`s are regen. theyre shields/armor faster. If let them be... after 30sek or so.. they regen a lof theyre HP)

Besides jammin no other wf can harm you (yes, web maybe... but most of the Tengu fits can tank any lvl4 without moveing)

Oh yeah.. the moveing thing.... with HML no need to in most lvl4. Just start with the little ones (90km range(plenty)) and finish with BS`s
And if u do have to move a bit... pfff 650-700m/s will do it in seconds (gues what your shiled got even better even if u didnt need it)

Maybe I forgot something but the stuff I mentioned is enough to choose Tengu insted of Mach IMO
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#23 - 2013-01-04 13:16:56 UTC
Texty wrote:
[quote=sabre906]It's just that Machariels are broke


Do...Not.....BLASPHEME, lest yee wish-ith to feel the wrath of holy retribution (in the form of a 100 thousand isk bounty on your head)!

I feel unclean just reading the words "Broke" and "Machariel" on the same forum let alone sentence.
Ginger Barbarella
#24 - 2013-01-04 22:24:16 UTC
Since you mentioned your tank is fine, I'll ignore that. For myself, I tend to permarun a 10MN AB to stay ahead of the big ships, and I swap out Fury for Precision as needed for smaller targets. Reload time doesn't bother me, and the precision (imho) negates the need for web on faster frigates. I'd just suggest trying the precision for the smaller targets to cut down the number of volleys needed, and leave the Fury for the bigger stuff.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Flakey Foont
#25 - 2013-01-05 00:25:59 UTC
Gal'o Sengen wrote:
Eternal Error wrote:
No need for EM hardeners are serpentis missions or even most angel missions. You did not list rigs. Whether or not TP matters depends on sig radius of your target. You're also using the wrong defensive subsystem.


It's a Tengu worth nearly 2 billion Isk that can be killed in a single Volley by one or maybe two Tornado's loading RF EMP. The EM hardeners are needed.



Last I checked the OP was talking about missions. Don't see a lot of Tornadoes.
Stillet0
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-01-05 00:51:13 UTC
I had another go at the tengu and I am repackaging the ship and getting a vargur,
Had enough of if and hope the Vargur is similar to the Mach.
Sincerely thanks for all the feedback
stoicfaux
#27 - 2013-01-05 01:10:20 UTC
Flakey Foont wrote:
Gal'o Sengen wrote:
Eternal Error wrote:
No need for EM hardeners are serpentis missions or even most angel missions. You did not list rigs. Whether or not TP matters depends on sig radius of your target. You're also using the wrong defensive subsystem.


It's a Tengu worth nearly 2 billion Isk that can be killed in a single Volley by one or maybe two Tornado's loading RF EMP. The EM hardeners are needed.



Last I checked the OP was talking about missions. Don't see a lot of Tornadoes.


PCs use Tornadoes. And ship scanners. And probes. And they can calculate if (50% of the value of your modules + tears) > (cost of their Tornadoes)...



Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-01-05 06:23:10 UTC
Stillet0 wrote:
the Tengu is quoted here as being very good blitzer

Stillet0 wrote:
I had another go at the tengu and I am repackaging the ship and getting a vargur,
Had enough of if and hope the Vargur is similar to the Mach.
Sincerely thanks for all the feedback

Vargur is not a blitzing ship. They are slow. You blitz with a Mach (or Tengu.)
You kill (almost) everything and loot / salvage in a Vargur.

Anyway, have fun Big smile
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#29 - 2013-01-05 09:47:14 UTC
a pithii booster and 2x em hardeners (I prefer in invlun to get the exp resist up a bit too) is plenty tank for level 4 missions. probably easier to just carry precision missiles than have a tp + web, frees up 2 midslots too. and I'm not sure what the best rig combo is as I hear they changed some things.

max lp blitzing tengu is still probably a great ship, anything else and I'd take a gun boat

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
#30 - 2013-01-06 07:06:43 UTC
Vir Mihir wrote:
Dont fly a tengu your fit is ********. You need dual smalls or a medium AND specific hardners not 2x em resis when some rats dont even deal EM. Go self-destruct pl0x.

Not to mention supplemental on an active tank - wtf u thinkin?


Small SB is fine for any level 4. The fact you need a medium indicates failure on your part.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#31 - 2013-01-06 09:00:40 UTC
Shaotuk wrote:
Vir Mihir wrote:
Dont fly a tengu your fit is ********. You need dual smalls or a medium AND specific hardners not 2x em resis when some rats dont even deal EM. Go self-destruct pl0x.

Not to mention supplemental on an active tank - wtf u thinkin?


Small SB is fine for any level 4. The fact you need a medium indicates failure on your part.


its not fun if I'm not sitting still with my hardeners off! Roll

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2013-01-07 02:31:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Cage Man
perhaps you don't understand the term blitzer.. basically you shoot what needs to be shot to complete the mission, the absolute bare minimum to complete .. nothing else, unless you scrammed. If you read the mission guides they will tell you what is the blitzing path.
EDIT--- A HAM tengu cannot be used for blitzing.. you will have to fly all the way to the target before you can apply your dps.. HML is much better for blitzing.
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