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scams: place in global Eve Online Economy?
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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-04 22:34:57 UTC
there was interrupted by profi-troll discussion in local chat about scammers and their place in global Eve Online Economy.
I think it may be interesting to discuss.

Usually people say: Eve is game when you will be ganked/scammed/whatever.
Gankers blow stuff and make industry work. The more stuff get blown - the more healthy Economy we have.

Scammers on the other side deal with ISK and stuff. The difference between legit market transaction and scam is: scam makes people think he gets something better than he will. Remove people opinion from scam and you have legit market transaction.

PS: i don't speak about margin trading scams here. It is another question.

So i personally think scams are just another toy for Eve Online players. Like chat-channels/interesting places in Universe/TV in Captain Quarters/etc...

However i've seen another opinion: scam moves money from "less smart" (let's be polite here) person to "more smart" one. Less smart people tend to waste more ISK and sink some ISK into taxes. The more smart people use ISK more intelligently and thus pay less taxes. So scammers safe some ISK from sinks and thus increase global inflation Shocked Personally i don't think this is right Lol

Would be good to hear another peoples opinions here.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2013-01-04 22:36:34 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Just another pvp tool.

Also a very good lesson to learn before the king of Nigeria rings you about your spanish lottery win.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-01-04 22:38:03 UTC
wealth redistribution from stupid demographic to smart demographic
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#4 - 2013-01-04 22:42:02 UTC
Scamming simply means never having to say you're sorry.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2013-01-04 22:43:37 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Scamming simply means never having to say you're sorry.


Unless Canadian.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#6 - 2013-01-04 22:45:08 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
As for the movement of money from suckers to scammers, there's nothing you can do about that. The smart people will always find ways to acquire more isk. The solution isn't to prevent scamming, the solution is to implement isk sinks that the scammers will participate in.

edit: also, "it's not fair" is a horrible line of thinking. How is it unfair that smart people are able to outperform stupid ones? Is it also unfair that pretty models make more money or that faster athletes are better paid? If I'm able to outwit you in a game, I SHOULD BENEFIT FROM THAT.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#7 - 2013-01-04 22:52:24 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
The solution isn't to prevent scamming, the solution is to implement isk sinks that the scammers will participate in.


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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#8 - 2013-01-04 22:54:20 UTC
Thank goodness there is no New Eden trading standards board. Heaven forbid I pay my own subscription.

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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#9 - 2013-01-04 23:02:07 UTC
Scamming is acceptable.

Margin trading exploits... these exist because it would put too much strain on the DB to remove orders when there is not enough ISK to cover them. Regardless of CCPs official stance, they might as well be dictionary definitions of "exploit".

Scamming by spamming contracts 23 hours a day using macro or script injection.... should be banhammered, but CCP doesn't seem to give a damn.
Dave Stark
#10 - 2013-01-04 23:06:08 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
The solution isn't to prevent scamming, the solution is to implement isk sinks that the scammers will participate in.


Subscription.


stupid people buy plex. scammers spend isk on plex, stupid people end up losing the isk they got from plex to a scammer so they buy a plex and....

oh god, we're going around in circles...
Mc Scam
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-01-05 01:37:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mc Scam
A scammer takes from the unworthy and unsuspecting, possibly teaching them a valuable lesson while doing so.

On the economic side the victim is then left with 2 choices: either learn from past mistakes and regain what was lost through hard work or give up.
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-01-05 03:05:49 UTC
This again.

Scam -??? Alright

But spamming stupid contracts in Jita = botting. These stupid contracts contain scams, but they are posted every 1 minute or more.

This sort of activity is bot spam.

Legit scamming must be a part of the game. Spam botting must be not.

If you wish to legalize botting, free voluntary gameplay will cease to exist. EvE is only dead, when players abandon it, letting bots and scripts harvest the cluster.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

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Mr Pragmatic
#13 - 2013-01-05 09:39:46 UTC
Scamming is unacceptable.

Its profiteering off the weak.

Just like when PVP "Masters" pad their kill mails with barges. Sad really.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#14 - 2013-01-05 10:38:54 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

However i've seen another opinion: scam moves money from "less smart" (let's be polite here) person to "more smart" one.


Yes, it's God's work really. Wealth is magically transferred from those who have too much ISK to those who want more and are prepared to do anything to get it. It simulates real life very well, despite the fact that it's quite annoying.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#15 - 2013-01-05 10:40:28 UTC
Dave stark wrote:

oh god, we're going around in circles...


Except every turn around the circle puts another dozen dollars in CCP's coffers and helps finance the game we all love. I can live with that.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-01-05 10:55:01 UTC
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Scamming is unacceptable.

Its profiteering off the weak.

Just like when PVP "Masters" pad their kill mails with barges. Sad really.


Don't be weak then.

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Tubrug1
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-05 10:58:44 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
wealth redistribution from stupid demographic to smart demographic


Or wealth redistribution from the drunk to the sober.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-01-05 11:01:31 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

However i've seen another opinion: scam moves money from "less smart" (let's be polite here) person to "more smart" one. Less smart people tend to waste more ISK and sink some ISK into taxes. The more smart people use ISK more intelligently and thus pay less taxes. So scammers safe some ISK from sinks and thus increase global inflation Shocked Personally i don't think this is right Lol

Would be good to hear another peoples opinions here.




Usually it's more like the dumb preying on the utterly stupid to be honest.99.99% of the scams are just copies of working ones.I admit the 0.01% is the clever people who find a new way to work a scam.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#19 - 2013-01-05 11:04:35 UTC
There is far more to scamming than posting dumb contracts in Jita local mate.

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0wl
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-01-05 11:10:10 UTC
What's a scam?
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