EVE General Discussion

Doesn't stop them from trying to practice NRDS. As I said, they'll quickly endup basically treating their NRDS as NBSI simply because it makes life so much easier.

Their point is that if it's the choice of the enemy, then it's not a policy that they have control over. With NBSI, you decide who's blue and whom you shoot, the reds (or neutrals) have no say. With NRDS you just keep adding people to the red list, keep adding and keep adding until everyone is red, no neutrals left.

Thank you. I believe the pertinent part is:

"Stand your ground" governs U.S. federal case law in which right of self-defense is asserted against a charge of criminal homicide. The Supreme Court of the United States ruled in Beard v. U.S. (158 U.S. 550 (1895)) that a man who was "on his premises" when he came under attack and "...did not provoke the assault, and had at the time reasonable grounds to believe, and in good faith believed, that the deceased intended to take his life, or do him great bodily harm...was not obliged to retreat, nor to consider whether he could safely retreat, but was entitled to stand his ground."[2][3]

Emphasis mine.

So if that kid grabs your stuff and runs, and you plug him, that would be a charge of criminal homicide.

Now if he whips out a gun or knife, or otherwise presents himself in a way where you would have reason to fear for your life and/or believe he was going to do you bodily harm, then that is a whole different kettle of fish.

You might also keep in mind that if, while he is running away, he slips on grease you have carelessly left on the floor of the garage he can sue you with a high probablity of success.

I think you misunderstand, and it's probably my fault for not specifying.

In no case would a standing be changed to Blue if you accept the "contract" or fee (it would remain the same as before), however if you failed to pay your status would be changed to Red, Orange, whatever the Sov holder specifies.

This means that if you were Red already, you would still be Red even after paying your fee (not that you would bother to pay it). Most of the time this would mean that if you are neutral you would remain neutral, but in a NRDS area this means you are still "safe" from the Sov holders aggression (unless you do something that makes them want to manually change their status).

You know the only time I've ever seen this sentiment expressed is by whiny losers who couldn't actually hack it in null . Why on earth (or space) would we want more people in null? More people means more risk, more potential awoxers, more spies, more competition for rats and resources, it means more disruptions to our isk making activities.

Unless we're deployed I'm not comfortable in any system where the population won't fit my local window without scrolling. The whole point of taking and holding SOV the reward for sitting in all those blobs people like to whine about, grinding all those structures and suffering through Boat stories is we get a bit of space that is our own (as long as we can defend it) to exploit to improve our game experience by letting us accumulate assets that we can then use to turn around and kick someone's teeth in away from our space.

We don't want more people out here and we most certainly aren't interested in the sort of anti-social mouth breathers who can't manage the minimal social graces required to join a corporation.

You and the OP are trying to address a problem that doesn't exist. NBSI isn't the default state because the mean ole null dictators forced it on everyone. It's the default state because it's the best policy. In EVE combat, hell in combat period, the advantage generally goes to the aggressor.

NRDS gives the advantage to the outsider in that the local resident is forced to wait until the outsider takes an aggressive action before being able to react. In most cases in this game that's pretty much the end of the fight as the outsider is unlikely to take the initial aggressive action unless they are reasonably assured of success.

NBSI levels the playing field in that both parties have equal opportunity to take aggressive action first. The outsider can't just get into optimal scan your ship and then decide whether or not to fight you based on how certain they are of victory.

NBSI makes it much easier to know friend from foe, if they aren't a friend they are automatically a foe.

Personally I think there are two types of people who avoid null sec, the anti-social unlikable and those who are misinformed (or perhaps victimized by a poor alliance in the past) about what life in SOV null is all about.

So the case was made for NRDS.

People rushed in making the case for NBSI.


NRDS is a failure, say those who shoot anything that is not blue.


So, how's that empty and boring nullsec working out for ya?

You darn tooting right sista ;-)

case for NBSI was made and proven with a quick glimpse at a sov map
I merely reminded people of that

hth

"Man nullsec would be so much better if you fought for space so everyone else could use it"

Since the game is basicallly a game of conflict, both political and economic, expecting one form of "government" or another to be the accepted "norm" is pure crackhead dreaming.

Null is as Null does. Like it or don't, and the folks living there have to live with it, too.

...rinse, repeat... rinse, repeat...