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NBSI Nullsec = Fail

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-01-04 14:10:41 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Its friday, so must be a 'Goons suck because they shoot everybody' day, tomorrow will be the 'Goons suck because they blue everybody' day.

How about "Goons just suck" that way we cover everyday?

Now, now, while we may be fat, we're not so desperate for burgers that we literally suck them down. We do chew them a bit first.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#62 - 2013-01-04 14:12:52 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Nullbears always whine how they want more players to come there, but at the end of the day all they really want is more serfs to make their e-peens feel bigger and more baby seals to club. So trying to get them to make any kind of positive change to nullsec is never going to happen. They are incapable of thinking in that way. They only understand negative change, hence it's all just a "nerf hisec" mantra for them.



^^^ Has never heard of the concepts of "power creep" or "zero-sum game"

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-01-04 14:15:32 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Nullbears always whine how they want more players to come there, but at the end of the day all they really want is more serfs to make their e-peens feel bigger and more baby seals to club. So trying to get them to make any kind of positive change to nullsec is never going to happen. They are incapable of thinking in that way. They only understand negative change, hence it's all just a "nerf hisec" mantra for them.

^^^ Has never heard of the concepts of "power creep" or "zero-sum game"

See, the way to design and evolve games is to always increase everything, never decrease anything. Decreasing is negative, increasing is positive.

Except for when talking about increasing isk sinks or taxes, then it's bad. It's very bad, and everyone will unsubscribe!

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#64 - 2013-01-04 14:15:39 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Its friday, so must be a 'Goons suck because they shoot everybody' day, tomorrow will be the 'Goons suck because they blue everybody' day.

How about "Goons just suck" that way we cover everyday?

Now, now, while we may be fat, we're not so desperate for burgers that we literally suck them down. We do chew them a bit first.


Now that I just can't believe. I'm gonna need video proof of this "chewing" you claim Goons engage in.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-01-04 14:17:34 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Now that I just can't believe. I'm gonna need video proof of this "chewing" you claim Goons engage in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie-2DrRHV4Q

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2013-01-04 14:18:26 UTC
ITT: op doesn't understand why humans group together.

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#67 - 2013-01-04 14:22:00 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Its friday, so must be a 'Goons suck because they shoot everybody' day, tomorrow will be the 'Goons suck because they blue everybody' day.


Implying that bluing people precludes shooting them

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#68 - 2013-01-04 14:22:44 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
There is nothing at all wrong with the game mechanics, the problem in Nullsec is the way that Sov Holders govern. There would be more folks moving into Nullsec if the Sov Holders would simply set NRDS rules in their space. It worked before with great success, and there are many old veterans that remember that time. Just let neutrals come and go as long as they mind their own business. Not everybody wants to be enslaved to the narcissistic petty dictators who are currently in charge.


This is really more of the same "oh, if people would be nice to me i'm be in null sec" crap. If you need people to be nice to you for you to enjoy game content in a pvp-centric sandbox, pvp-centric sandboxes aren't for you.

Anyone who wants (and deserves) to be in null sec (or low, or wormholes) will FIGHT their way in and fight to stay in regardless of what anyone else wants. I for one don't care that some people choose to stay in high sec, they don't have the "intestinal fortitude" to survive and thrive in unprotected space.

There is nothing wrong with that, EVE is a game and you should play it how you like within the rules of the game (while recognizing that EVERY other player has the same right), what is wrong is expecting the entire rest of the universe to compensate for what is really a personal failing on your part.

I "live" everyday in space where CONCORD won't come help me if I get attacked (and i've got the ratting ship loss mails to prove it, I lost a Vindicator to a gank squad 2 weeks ago, THAT hurt lol) and like everyone else in null (or low, or WHs) I survive just fine, if you can't that's your problem.
Lechert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2013-01-04 14:29:31 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
There is nothing at all wrong with the game mechanics, the problem in Nullsec is the way that Sov Holders govern. There would be more folks moving into Nullsec if the Sov Holders would simply set NRDS rules in their space. It worked before with great success, and there are many old veterans that remember that time. Just let neutrals come and go as long as they mind their own business. Not everybody wants to be enslaved to the narcissistic petty dictators who are currently in charge.


nah.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#70 - 2013-01-04 14:36:01 UTC
So NRDS doesn't work and NBSI is boring, is that the general consensus then?Cool
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-01-04 14:41:03 UTC
NRDS doesn't scale and NBSI is an excuse for some people to not move into nullsec. They could easily move into NPC nullsec if they wanted, and start practicing NRDS all they want, or they can move to CVA space and play with likeminded people. They'll quickly end up basically treating NRDS as NBSI just because it makes life so much easier.

But noooooooo.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#72 - 2013-01-04 14:45:33 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Now that I just can't believe. I'm gonna need video proof of this "chewing" you claim Goons engage in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie-2DrRHV4Q



Well plaid.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Doomheim
#73 - 2013-01-04 15:03:54 UTC
Super spikinator wrote:
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
NRDS does not work because nothing prevents me from rolling a 5 day cyno hero and blaping you while you rat there, like awoxing but with no effort. No one would live there due to the lack of protection while doing pve.

Also why should you or anyone else enjoy the benefit of our space when you did nothing to take it and do nothing to help defend it.



Easy way to make NRDS the way to go would be to allow the Sov holder collect a 10-20% tax on all bounties claimed in the areas controlled by them regardless of who killed the rat. The more Neuts they have rattin in their space, the more income they get.



Why would I then go to nullsec when I could make a 1 man shell company and farm low sec and get 100% of my rat bounty for myself?


100% of rat bounty in low sec < 80% rat bounty in null sec

Of course it would have to be worth it.

The point being, making it in the financial intrest for the sov holding organization to allow nuets to roam their space; you know, bring null sec out of the "dark ages", Roll.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2013-01-04 15:10:35 UTC
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
The point being, making it in the financial intrest for the sov holding organization to allow nuets to roam their space

How?

Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
you know, bring null sec out of the "dark ages", Roll.

We've spent considerable amounts of time and energy to take that space. Why should we just let neuts, which would predominantly consist of hostile people hellbent on making our ships blow up, "roam around"? How would that even remotely "bring nullsec out of the 'dark ages'"? What are these "dark ages"?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2013-01-04 15:11:59 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
So NRDS doesn't work and NBSI is boring, is that the general consensus then?Cool

well, tbh people should've just gone FEATD. **** Everybody And Their Dog.

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#76 - 2013-01-04 15:14:12 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
The point being, making it in the financial intrest for the sov holding organization to allow nuets to roam their space

How?

Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
you know, bring null sec out of the "dark ages", Roll.

We've spent considerable amounts of time and energy to take that space. Why should we just let neuts, which would predominantly consist of hostile people hellbent on making our ships blow up, "roam around"? How would that even remotely "bring nullsec out of the 'dark ages'"? What are these "dark ages"?


I believe they're the "dark ages" of him not being able to rat in peace anywhere he wants without having to make friends.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#77 - 2013-01-04 15:28:42 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
So NRDS doesn't work and NBSI is boring, is that the general consensus then?Cool


Nope, I'm just fine with NBSI.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#78 - 2013-01-04 15:29:37 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
The point being, making it in the financial intrest for the sov holding organization to allow nuets to roam their space

How?

Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
you know, bring null sec out of the "dark ages", Roll.

We've spent considerable amounts of time and energy to take that space. Why should we just let neuts, which would predominantly consist of hostile people hellbent on making our ships blow up, "roam around"? How would that even remotely "bring nullsec out of the 'dark ages'"? What are these "dark ages"?


Presumably he lives in a 21st century country that doesn't require people to "set standings" with their equivalent of the INS before entering the country to work.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2013-01-04 15:29:59 UTC
No Butte Shun It

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#80 - 2013-01-04 15:37:51 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Presumably he lives in a 21st century country that doesn't require people to "set standings" with their equivalent of the INS before entering the country to work.



I know of a couple countries like that. From what I understand they're not particularly pleasant places to live.


Kind of like Providence.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon