Out of Pod Experience

Like what?

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Outer_Ring#kills24

what's stopping you from moving somewhere like here, where no coalitions will fight you for sov and large tracts of area are danger-free? You can rat in all the belts you want, and mine all you want (your choice of Jaspet, Plagioclase, Pyroxeres, Scordite, Veldspar which you can refine at your leisure and ship back to highsec for resale). There's some issues about fueling the tower, manufacturing the blocks, the cost of ships, random guys roaming through the system and the low refining rate is going to cost you some of that ore, meaning you'll be taking in less m3 then an identical miner in highsec using an npc station, plus there's the whole 'moving it through Syndicate thing". But this is the sort of nullsec resources being denied to you no more man. Dig in!

Supercaps/titans = best because of their EHP and the fact that they don't have to be completely immobile and unable to receive remote assistance for 5 minutes at a time in order to do maximum DPS?

If you cannot see the hate in the thread you are blind.

As others try to push higher safety into eve there are players that try to push the harshness into other games. MMO space games are a Niche market so a Space mmo with the Harshness of Eve is a double Niche game that only appeals to a select player base. Ones that like both Space games and the Harshness. So why not appeal to the other side being a Space MMO with a more safe playstyle. Ones that like Space games and safety. So in the interest of money it makes more sense then trying to fill the same spot eve already fills...

Who said ships wont be destroyed? The market will be different to Eve, but that does not mean it will make it a ghost game as you are making it look like.

EvE would stop being a farce if it disallowed alts.

Once can't be responsible for their own actions if they can reliably dodge the consequences.

Their last 2 decades presidents provided a nice and effective diminishing returns mechanism, no need for other caps.

BTW there's one cap actually, it's the debt.

*lol* I guess that means the game is doomed from the get go.
Or i'll move there and kill do the same thing as here, just to make a point. ^_^

The "EvE minded" playerbase has been grabbed by EvE already. It's also such a minuscule minority that it's pointless making a product catering to them.

It was feasible 10 years ago, when home made spaghetti code (EvE being just one of several examples of that) allowed cheap and effective developement.
These days the modern players want licensed bells and whistles, costs quickly rise so the target playerbase has to be numerous enough.

I am also 3 subbed to another sandbox game (which (sadly) is PvE only). It's "another sandbox" where people are all friendly each other, help and do stuff for free, sometimes spending hours.
There are collective big projects involving everybody against a common enemy... it's like all being in one EvE friendly corporation. Craft system is almost as good as EvE's, PvE vastly less boring. Takes 10+ years to come close to maxing all the levels but then you may also build your plot (taking again months to no end).

The game being a sandbox - albeit a much different than EvE one - caters to a small minority too. There are no set goals, everyone makes their life.

Unlike EvE, there you can find *unknown* - and this is what I like of that game - because there are almost zero websites (and game changes all the time so they are all outdated) and you REALLY must venture out and risk your neck in an immense world just to find out where the hell is that material (orders of magnitude more than EvE) you need. And figure out how to survive doing that.

I wish EvE still could give the same feeling of venturing out with no effing idea about what's behind the corner and how to deal with it.


I also have played another PvP sandbox game called Darkfall Online, that was also quite harsh (full player loot including their money) and there was no easy guide to know "which hardeners to use, what happens next" or how to deal with players who would roll you all over the place.

That blurb just to say, EvE is not the one sandbox. It's the sandbox YOU like. Edit: YOU like is being used in a neutral term, not saying it's "right or wrong" to like EvE. I happen to like it, many don't.

The only thing I agree with the majority is, sandbox games have become a tiny niche catering to fewer and fewer people over the years.

I seem to recall the ability of players to host their own multiplayer server. Maybe the persistent one hosted by RSI will be as harsh as EvE or will only allow PvP in a few select areas? Maybe they'll let server hosters define such rules on their own server in case they want it differently?

Last I saw, the game wasn't scheduled for release until Nov 2014. Many things can change in that time. If it matters so much whether or not you can gank or be ganked, it might be a good idea to let the devs of SC know. As for me, I'll be trying it out either way and probably enjoy the more actiony side of the space combat sim coin in addition to eve

Of course *two* games is all what tells a genre (sandbox) is growing or shrinking in popularity!

Also, EvE "still growing subscriptions" is a bit of an optimistic statement. Let's say it's "recovering" (to be very kind) or "ranging".

As for Minecraft of course it attracted a lot of people. It's a "buy once, yours forever" deal, they are not even "subscriptions", not in the traditional kind you use to draw charts (you can't even see subs dropping if they are "endless") Yet, the new game from the same developers seems to be subs based, let's see how it'll fare.

OP says we should care about some game that isn't EVE