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To the farmers that think +75% LP = more isk..... its not true
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Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-01 21:26:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsobai Hashimoto
Best two datacores for Amarr , cost is 50k + 50 LP for each
Datacore – High Energy Phy 148k in Jita = 1960 isk per LP
Datacore – Nanite Control 127k in Jita = 1540 isk per LP

Best two datacores for Minnies

Datacore - Hydromagnetic - 94k in Jita = 880 isk per LP
Datacore - Molecular Eng - 89k in Jita = 780 isk per LP

Novice plex for amarr = 10k LP or 19.6m isk with best datacore
Novice for Minnies with current 75% boost is 17,500 LP or 15.4 mill isk
When minnies slip into T4 it is 22m isk

Minnie T4 is around 10-12m isk more per hour if selling datacores

At T3 you make 18-20m less per hour than Amarr T2 selling datacores

Faction Battleships

Navy Geddon 321m in Jita, 106m cost for geddon + chip = 215m profit for 150k LP
1,433 isk per LP
215m profit in 15 novice plexes (150k LP)

Typhoon Fleet Issue 256m in Jita, 122m cost for Phoon + chip = 134m profit for 150k LP
894 isk per LP
234m profit in 15 novice plexes (262,500 LP)


Now take in the fact that, your earning less per LP, but gaining a lot more LP, this means you need to sell more items to get the same isk, a lot more items, nearly 2 Typhoon Fleet Issues for every 1 Ngeddon

this means more hauling, more RFF contracts, more fiddling on your market alt playing the ol' .01isk war in Jita

Even more so at T4

15 Novice Amarr Plexs = 150k LP, or 3,000 Datacore - High Energy Phy, 294mill isk profit
15 Novice Minnie Plex T4 = 375k LP, or 7,500 Datacores - Hydromagnetic, 330mill isk profit

So you "made" an extra 35mill in 2 hours work, but get to fiddle on the market with nearly 3 times the items ontop of every other Minnie Pilot with 2-3 times the same item......

Yes there are a lot more items on the list, I have a massive spreadsheet for most items over all of the FW Races, but this does not need to be a threadnaught to get a simple point across. Overall this trend remains true, including Faction Ammo, All Faction Ships and pretty much any item that moves decently.

There are a few items for every FW that needs tags and moves a bit slower that gets great isk per LP (some over 2,500 isk per LP) but the logistics of getting thousands of tags makes it unrealistic to dump hundreds of thousands of LPs through it, more like a handful a month

This is mostly meant for the Amarr Mains thinking your making more isk plexing with a WT Alt to pay for your Amarr PVP, your not helping anyone, not even yourself.

*Warning! this does not hold true for T1! So if your in Caldari GTFO, your isk ratio sucks!*
- Kidding, give them Gal FW hell Blink
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#2 - 2013-01-01 21:43:08 UTC
Good analysis. It really is as easy as pie to make isk in the Amarr militia. Create a jump clone in Gultratren. Have a hauler alt stock it with ships. Plex in peace and quiet.

I might have to do that again. In December I placed a billion isk bounty on Sasawong, a billion isk bounty on his alt, Sheltering Sky, and went through a billion isk in ships. I'm down to a paltry 5 billion isk with just shy of 2 million LP. I can't be slacking! Pirate
Takanuro
Eve Faction Trade Exchange
#3 - 2013-01-01 21:53:51 UTC
Quote:
*Warning! this does not hold true for T1! So if your in Caldari GTFO, your isk ratio sucks!*
- Kidding, give them Gal FW hell


/me Chuckles

Yes, we're going to die, but you're coming with us!
Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-01 22:01:38 UTC
Takanuro wrote:
Quote:
*Warning! this does not hold true for T1! So if your in Caldari GTFO, your isk ratio sucks!*
- Kidding, give them Gal FW hell


/me Chuckles



Kind of a low blow, sorry lol

Honestly yes T1 Caldari is not the best isk but..... compared to high sec mission running its not all that bad.

I remember flying my Drake years ago doing L3s for Caldari Navy, I wish we had a T1 Caldari FW system then!

A Novice plex is worth around 6-8m isk for Caldari at T1, that puts high sec missions to shame if your a pilot thats under 6 months old, and even if you have gotten to 4s, its only a lil worse
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#5 - 2013-01-01 22:09:36 UTC
Haven't actually cashed any LP since the ISK hydrant that was Inferno. Clearly the system is a lot more balanced now.


The amarr LP store actually gives good ships as well, most of the time fleet phoons and fleet tempests are pretty much useless, in stark contrast to the navy geddon and navy apoc which are probably the most popular BS hulls in the game for fleet PVP. I honestly have no idea where all the minmatar faction BS spewing out of FW have gone.

In the past the minmatar had the advantage of the SFI being the king of medium plexes, now with T2 ships able to enter it doesn't really get a look in, coupled with T1 cruisers being so good.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#6 - 2013-01-01 22:12:08 UTC
This is why I like the new system so much.

With the old system, with the ISK amount reduction due to tier, it really was a huge financial burden to be in the losing militia due to competition from non-FW areas (direct or via substitution).

However, with the new system, supply and demand does reduce the difference significantly.
Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-01-01 22:16:51 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Haven't actually cashed any LP since the ISK hydrant that was Inferno. Clearly the system is a lot more balanced now.


The amarr LP store actually gives good ships as well, most of the time fleet phoons and fleet tempests are pretty much useless, in stark contrast to the navy geddon and navy apoc which are probably the most popular BS hulls in the game for fleet PVP. I honestly have no idea where all the minmatar faction BS spewing out of FW have gone.

In the past the minmatar had the advantage of the SFI being the king of medium plexes, now with T2 ships able to enter it doesn't really get a look in, coupled with T1 cruisers being so good.



The changes from inferno to Retribution are a huge boon to the loosing side of FW with still giving an edge to the winners

Before, at T2 the isk on a lot of items was awful, and T1 it cost you isk to cashout!

At least now Caldari can make isk of the LPs, it might only be a 6m profit from that novice plex, but with old T1 the LP store items cost X4! So you got 10k LPs from the novice, its going to earn you 11.3 isk each! w00t!

I also agree that when it comes to Faction Ships, the Amarr have a leg up on everyone, A lot of the faction ships are PVE boats that dont get blown up all to often, while the Amarr get good PVP use out of both of there Faction BS

Now if they made a faction BS for all 3 BS, the Minnies would see a huge boon, as Maelstorms get a lot of use in Alpha Fleets in nullsec, MFI would be damn sexy and a lot of Powerblocs could afford them if Minnies were at T4 or higher
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-01-01 22:31:27 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Good analysis. It really is as easy as pie to make isk in the Amarr militia. Create a jump clone in Gultratren. Have a hauler alt stock it with ships. Plex in peace and quiet.

I might have to do that again. In December I placed a billion isk bounty on Sasawong, a billion isk bounty on his alt, Sheltering Sky, and went through a billion isk in ships. I'm down to a paltry 5 billion isk with just shy of 2 million LP. I can't be slacking! Pirate



Yeah considering an Amarr alt so I can get a navy geddon ;) or just for the iskies
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#9 - 2013-01-02 00:12:46 UTC
Aside from printing ammo and cashing a few datacores, I have had little success printing ISK in Minmatar militia via the LP store. I prefer blowing up the enemy and selling their loots.

As for the Caldari / Gallente ISK ratios. Well, if there's no Calldari systems, the Gallente militia might find it hard to rustle up any LP's at all, while there's great fields of farms for the Caldari to plow all day long, and wait for the Gallente to grow bored. Save your LP's and wait for the inevitable collapse, and push to T2/T3, then badabing, cash out like pros.

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-01-02 04:53:38 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Aside from printing ammo and cashing a few datacores, I have had little success printing ISK in Minmatar militia via the LP store. I prefer blowing up the enemy and selling their loots.

As for the Caldari / Gallente ISK ratios. Well, if there's no Calldari systems, the Gallente militia might find it hard to rustle up any LP's at all, while there's great fields of farms for the Caldari to plow all day long, and wait for the Gallente to grow bored. Save your LP's and wait for the inevitable collapse, and push to T2/T3, then badabing, cash out like pros.


You may rely on the fact that if the Caldari ever do start pushing the Gallente back, CCP will nerf the LP rewards for doing so. Probably within 24 hours. P
Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-01-02 07:03:19 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Aside from printing ammo and cashing a few datacores, I have had little success printing ISK in Minmatar militia via the LP store. I prefer blowing up the enemy and selling their loots.

As for the Caldari / Gallente ISK ratios. Well, if there's no Calldari systems, the Gallente militia might find it hard to rustle up any LP's at all, while there's great fields of farms for the Caldari to plow all day long, and wait for the Gallente to grow bored. Save your LP's and wait for the inevitable collapse, and push to T2/T3, then badabing, cash out like pros.




the farmers just run missions. at T4 each lvl 4 mission would net you about 70k to 80k lp

im just not sure if caldari fw mission rats jam? if tjey do then that would suck. but SB sensor isnt bad. maybe use se lp for the sensor str implants....or is rats still on a pure % chance still?
Babar Baboli
Walrus Mafia
The Initiative.
#12 - 2013-01-02 07:21:59 UTC
I think most Minnies sell their **** in Hek or Rens which means even less iskies.
I know I'm making a lot less isk now than pre-retribution. But, there's more pew pew around now so I'm happy.
Corelyn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-01-02 07:46:37 UTC
LP's go into system hubs, not the LP store.
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#14 - 2013-01-02 09:04:31 UTC
Babar Baboli wrote:
I think most Minnies sell their **** in Hek or Rens which means even less iskies.
I know I'm making a lot less isk now than pre-retribution. But, there's more pew pew around now so I'm happy.


So long as you use sell orders and have some patience, the higher prices in Rens and Hek mean you'll make considerably more. I get 1500-2000 isk/LP for my stuff, which is about 1.5-2x what I'd get flogging it in Rens. Don't cash out on datacores unless you're trading in a zillion LP and have a buyer set up already.
ALUCARD 1208
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#15 - 2013-01-04 03:36:55 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
Aside from printing ammo and cashing a few datacores, I have had little success printing ISK in Minmatar militia via the LP store. I prefer blowing up the enemy and selling their loots.

As for the Caldari / Gallente ISK ratios. Well, if there's no Calldari systems, the Gallente militia might find it hard to rustle up any LP's at all, while there's great fields of farms for the Caldari to plow all day long, and wait for the Gallente to grow bored. Save your LP's and wait for the inevitable collapse, and push to T2/T3, then badabing, cash out like pros.


You may rely on the fact that if the Caldari ever do start pushing the Gallente back, CCP will nerf the LP rewards for doing so. Probably within 24 hours. P



and the tinfoil hat award goes to u sir

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
ALUCARD 1208
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#16 - 2013-01-04 03:38:05 UTC
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
Aside from printing ammo and cashing a few datacores, I have had little success printing ISK in Minmatar militia via the LP store. I prefer blowing up the enemy and selling their loots.

As for the Caldari / Gallente ISK ratios. Well, if there's no Calldari systems, the Gallente militia might find it hard to rustle up any LP's at all, while there's great fields of farms for the Caldari to plow all day long, and wait for the Gallente to grow bored. Save your LP's and wait for the inevitable collapse, and push to T2/T3, then badabing, cash out like pros.




the farmers just run missions. at T4 each lvl 4 mission would net you about 70k to 80k lp

im just not sure if caldari fw mission rats jam? if tjey do then that would suck. but SB sensor isnt bad. maybe use se lp for the sensor str implants....or is rats still on a pure % chance still?



ya we have jammers and missile spam to contend with makes a lethal combination

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-04 03:54:50 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
Aside from printing ammo and cashing a few datacores, I have had little success printing ISK in Minmatar militia via the LP store. I prefer blowing up the enemy and selling their loots.

As for the Caldari / Gallente ISK ratios. Well, if there's no Calldari systems, the Gallente militia might find it hard to rustle up any LP's at all, while there's great fields of farms for the Caldari to plow all day long, and wait for the Gallente to grow bored. Save your LP's and wait for the inevitable collapse, and push to T2/T3, then badabing, cash out like pros.




the farmers just run missions. at T4 each lvl 4 mission would net you about 70k to 80k lp

im just not sure if caldari fw mission rats jam? if tjey do then that would suck. but SB sensor isnt bad. maybe use se lp for the sensor str implants....or is rats still on a pure % chance still?



ya we have jammers and missile spam to contend with makes a lethal combination




minnie rats have missiles too but most are torps so easy to speed tank.

jamming would get really really old!
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#18 - 2013-01-04 20:14:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Messenger
who want to plex anyway, now make calculation about doing lvl 4 fw missions for minmatar and see how your numbers go.

You can make about 5m lp / day by missioning so i doubt you can dump all to datacores for ever.
Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-01-04 22:11:51 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
who want to plex anyway, now make calculation about doing lvl 4 fw missions for minmatar and see how your numbers go.

You can make about 5m lp / day by missioning so i doubt you can dump all to datacores for ever.



That is the reason Amarr datacores sell for almost double..... I have seen a guy running 3 bombers doing missions, it was near impossible to stop him. by the time he warped off and jumped out and I was able to figure out what system and follow him, his 3 bombers completed the mission!

With 3 ships with 4500 dmg vollies the NPCs dont last at all, he is able to get around 25-30 missions with all 3 guys combined and just head out, bet it takes him 3hrs to earn 2mill LP and 130m in isk payments

Comes out to about 650-700m an hour if selling LP at 1,000 isk each (pretty easy to do)

Tsobai