EVE General Discussion

What is it.

If some one were using a program, and i know that they are out there, that would duplicate your commands among many clients, but you were at your computer in full control, is that against the eula.

Is there a botting thread that defines or describes different forms botting, what is and isn't allowed for 3rd party applications. I remember one time, a long time ago, while living in highsec. I witnessed 15 ravens all docking at the same time, and the guys name were all one number apart.

Let me know
irish

A solution that automates and generates control input without any player action.

Multi-boxing software is actually very clearly not a problem, since every input is player-driven. The grey area is rather at what point a normal keyboard macro, like the ones you can get from even a very simple software or many game-focused keyboards, start crossing that line of "without player input": yes, the player still pushed the key, so there's player input, but if that creates a complex series of 20 different actions, we're getting awfully close… For most purposes, the line is crossed once you start introducing timers and delays because the action generated is more complex than just mashing they keyboard — you are no longer picking and choosing when the keys are pressed; the macro is.

They used to be called a Macro.

Many games that required you to harvest material at a stationary point for hours on end in fact incorporated a macro builder in to the game. SWG being one of the bigger ones.

Pretty much this ^ .

Programs like ISBoxer have been explicitly whitelisted by CCP so long as they're just broadcasting your commands to multiple clients.

CCP used to have a ban on doing so until a guy showed proof that he emulated the effects of ISBoxer entirely via hardware (that is to say, dowels and packing tape).

https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/oldrigs

…like all bots. There is no real distinction there. In fact, the presence of those rules is what makes it a decision: it's not just “do A” but rather the decision between "do A if X, otherwise do B”. It may be a ridiculously simple one, but it's still a decision.

Sure it does: ˘have 180 seconds passed, Y/N? → Dump cargo and reset timer / Idle”. If there was no decision to make, there would be no need for the rule. It would just be “→ Dump cargo”.

A bot is anything that automates a decision the player would make. That's the simplest definition I can think of.

They can exist both way. The most basic one would only follow a basic command of wait 180 seconds then dump. Your example is also right tho where you could set a shorter timer to always check if the other one has expired to do the action. We use both emthod at my work to do scrip for computer installation but we would usually only use the second one to check for another condition than a second timer... Making a command run hundred of time to check if another one is done is silly for a miner when we can know the exact cycle time between the dump requirement. You don't even have to make the software make a check sicne you know the cycle will be done after 180 seconds.

Thats why I usually prefer a broad definition where you just tell people "If you put time into automating it, it's most likey bad and at risk of a ban". What all the stuff we can come up with on the hardware front now, splitting hair over what kind of automation should be tolerated and which one should not is stupid imo.

Well, sure. My lazy definition is that all automation is disallowed and that anything that could be done by simply faceplanting onto the keyboard (with some unique facial features and bone structure, granted) does not count as automation.

wikipedia gives us a first idea of what bot is.

Bots are software applications that run automated tasks over the Internet.
Typically, bots perform tasks that are both simple and structurally repetitive,
at a much higher rate than would be possible for a human alone.

now lets think for a second. whats the common thing between
a 40 mining bots setup in exhumers and 40 exhumers in a multiboxing system?

40 accounts. 'Nough said.

truth is, if you try to run a macro in one account, ccp will kick your char out.
there was a stupid guy in my corp once upon a time and he is no longer playing.
but if you run macros in 40 characters at the same time, well then, ccp
can claim that you are perhaps multiboxing and not running macro.
to be honest, how can ccp realise that the X order which happens simultaneously
in 40 characters is because of a macro or it is a key pressed by a human
which was automatically repeated 40 times in different windows?

so i guess this gives us :

Bots in EVE are considered those software applications that run automated
tasks in ONE account, such as key macro sequences.
Typically, bots that perform tasks that are both simple and structurally repetitive
to MANY accounts, it is considered as 'multiboxing' although they do work at a much
higher rate than would be possible for a human alone.

and to set things straight, i do love robots. :)

leo