EVE General Discussion

I'm sure the devs will leave you to die too, just like his gods did ;P

Killed by skillless noob blobbers?

Harsh.

They should have threatened to unsub, that would've done it.

Lead a disorganized, poorly lead mob into a well designed trap and things like that can happen in EVE.

Shadow Cartel et al. properly welped an EvE Uni Battleship fleet (140 ships killed for 9 ships lost in a 150-100 man fight) by leading them into a well prepared trap.

http://killfeed.eveuniversity.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=53679

This is down to simple game mechanics - how do you make choke points in the endless Cosmos of Space? Answer: You don't.

However, smaller forces do beat larger forces everyday. A good example would be one from last month: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15709411

Verge of Collapse spanked a roughly 200 man combined enemy force(FCON,SMA,and LAWN) of Naga, 'Nados and Oracles mainly through both the disorganization of their enemy (Short range oracles mixed with sniper Nagas and Nados), better logistics corp (none of VoC's Logi died), Obviously better FCing and significantly more shininess, killing 111 ships while losing a paltry seven.

RnK regularly drops small smartbombing BS fleets on us (HBC) and kills multiple numbers of us and survives, and you can think of a multitude of other small Lowsec, Nulsec, and WH alliances/corps that are really good at Fleet PVP.

That being said, in a Sov Grind, larger forces tend to win. Why? Both because of game mechanics but also because larger forces tend to win wars in general. Losing a few supers to a suprise hotdrop of bad guys doesn't really change the whole course of the war. Welping 100 plus Supers does. It's all about force projection - Larger Alliances can do it more frequently and in more vast quantities.

Well, we should also mention geographical choke points. D-GTMI in Providence comes to mind, the sight of where CVA welped (before the term welp came into usage) their entire cap fleet during the -A- invasion. Any point in Deklein, for it's long spindly one system. I'm sure you can think of others. CCP has made them, but in system they don't really exist.

Seems you forget that it delayed the Persians long enough. Mission accomplished. Leonidas name lived on to our days and might be known till the last humans are gone. I don't really expect the same for me, Miri Amatonur.

@RubyPorto
You demanded examples and you got a ton of them.
You can go on and try to discard every example because they don't fit your course. The readers know why you're doing it.

Even Goons reported in to support "smaller is better" (to present their own agenda under that disguise).
A change to SOV and SOV warfare is needed.

"Smaller is better"

And none of you have been able to convince me that your inability to use superior tactics and fleet composition means CCP should add additional mechanics to empower your smaller group over a larger one.

That's a gross misrepresentation of what the problem is. The problem with sov isn't that the groups of players attacking/defending are too big, the problem is that apart from harassing the defender for months, the only way to really get any progress done is to spend almost a week getting to the final timer, then outblob the defender on the last timer.

Well, fair enough on the first point. I guess my job is to merely point out why I think the system is not right. Though it feels like a never-ending merry-go-round sometimes

Yes, game mechanics should favour large groups but only in certain situations. Just as small groups should be favoured in certain situations.

As for arbitrary mechanics - I strongly oppose any such suggestions as this would definitely harm EVE on so many levels. Bonus velocity when flying in small groups just because they are in a small group is just silly. Besides, that is what gang assist modules are for already. All stats are solid and should stay solid.

However, I do want to make full use of the stats that EVE already has presented, namely primarily signature radius and use that as a factor when finding ships. There is nothing arbitrary about this. If a small group of players are flying together then they will only emit such amount of signal. If a huge blob is flying however then said signal will be quite significantly bigger.

You cannot really deny that a lot of people avoid taking risks like going to low/null simply because there is a mechanic out there that actively plays against them for no real reason. And most people who oppose these changes are most likely the ones who want to keep taking advantage of these mechanics - even when CCP themselves have said that said mechanic wasn't meant to be used this way in the first place. In fact I strongly suspect that CCP of all people have been perfectly aware of the points that I am trying to make for quite a few years already.

Information should be something that you have to work for. Not something that you get for free, instantly and in extreme detail.

Ship location and ship identification is vital information in so many aspects of EVE after all and the way I see it, rather than being the driving force it is the limiting force of EVE.

*edit* Did I mention that I still frigging HATE the forum draft system!