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Fitted Nightmare looking for general feedback and pointers about the fit
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Capt Sephiroth
#1 - 2013-01-03 20:38:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Sephiroth
This is my current ship and the fit in which I run level 4 missions

[Rigs]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I x2
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II

[High slots]

Tachyon beam laser IIx4
Salvager
Tractor beam

[Medium slots]
Gistum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Fieldx2
Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Tracking Computer IIx2
Shield Boost Amplifier II/Microwarpdrive II (when doing missions where lots of travel is required)
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster

[Low slots]
Heat Sink IIx4
Tracking Enhancer II

That is that in short.

I understand that having XLAS isn't the best idea for missions but when charged with 400 cap boost charges you have 7 cycles which is almost 70% of your total shied so used wisely you have a shield booster that doesn't use any cap. That is the idea behind me choosing to use it.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts and suggestions.

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Added rigs
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#2 - 2013-01-03 20:45:32 UTC
Capt Sephiroth wrote:
This is my current ship and the fit in which I run level 4 missions

[High slots]

Tachyon beam laser IIx4
Salvager
Tractor beam

[Medium slots]
Gistum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Fieldx2
Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Tracking Computer IIx2
Shield Boost Amplifier II/Microwarpdrive II (when doing missions where lots of travel is required)
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster

[Low slots]
Heat Sink IIx4
Tracking Enhancer II

That is that in short.

I understand that having XLAS isn't the best idea for missions but when charged with 400 cap boost charges you have 7 cycles which is almost 70% of your total shied so used wisely you have a shield booster that doesn't use any cap. That is the idea behind me choosing to use it.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts and suggestions.



Fit some rigs.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-01-03 21:15:56 UTC
the fit is fine. you could try replacing one of the invuls with a permarunning a-type small shield booster. they are very cap efficient and help extend your buffer, but so does the invul.

I should buy an Ishtar.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#4 - 2013-01-03 21:19:42 UTC
Is ISK a concern? I only ask because I learned a few things fitting my Nightmare but they are very exspensive.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Capt Sephiroth
#5 - 2013-01-03 21:35:33 UTC
goldiiee wrote:
Is ISK a concern? I only ask because I learned a few things fitting my Nightmare but they are very expensive.


Just speak your mind. I appreciate any suggestion regardless of the ISK cost as long as it improves the fit in a new way. Big smile
Capt Sephiroth
#6 - 2013-01-03 21:36:14 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Capt Sephiroth wrote:
This is my current ship and the fit in which I run level 4 missions

[High slots]

Tachyon beam laser IIx4
Salvager
Tractor beam

[Medium slots]
Gistum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Fieldx2
Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Tracking Computer IIx2
Shield Boost Amplifier II/Microwarpdrive II (when doing missions where lots of travel is required)
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster

[Low slots]
Heat Sink IIx4
Tracking Enhancer II

That is that in short.

I understand that having XLAS isn't the best idea for missions but when charged with 400 cap boost charges you have 7 cycles which is almost 70% of your total shied so used wisely you have a shield booster that doesn't use any cap. That is the idea behind me choosing to use it.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts and suggestions.



Fit some rigs.


Yes thank you for pointing that out, edited the original post. Big smile
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#7 - 2013-01-03 21:37:16 UTC
Capt Sephiroth wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Capt Sephiroth wrote:
This is my current ship and the fit in which I run level 4 missions

[High slots]

Tachyon beam laser IIx4
Salvager
Tractor beam

[Medium slots]
Gistum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Fieldx2
Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Tracking Computer IIx2
Shield Boost Amplifier II/Microwarpdrive II (when doing missions where lots of travel is required)
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster

[Low slots]
Heat Sink IIx4
Tracking Enhancer II

That is that in short.

I understand that having XLAS isn't the best idea for missions but when charged with 400 cap boost charges you have 7 cycles which is almost 70% of your total shied so used wisely you have a shield booster that doesn't use any cap. That is the idea behind me choosing to use it.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts and suggestions.



Fit some rigs.


Yes thank you for pointing that out, edited the original post. Big smile

try again still not showing

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Capt Sephiroth
#8 - 2013-01-03 21:37:58 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
the fit is fine. you could try replacing one of the invuls with a permarunning a-type small shield booster. they are very cap efficient and help extend your buffer, but so does the invul.


The thing is that if I do that my resistances go down to a level where I would get more shield abuse then shield gain from that small shield booster but it is a nice idea and I thank you for it. Big smile
Capt Sephiroth
#9 - 2013-01-03 21:38:35 UTC
goldiiee wrote:
Capt Sephiroth wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Capt Sephiroth wrote:
This is my current ship and the fit in which I run level 4 missions

[High slots]

Tachyon beam laser IIx4
Salvager
Tractor beam

[Medium slots]
Gistum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Fieldx2
Gistum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Tracking Computer IIx2
Shield Boost Amplifier II/Microwarpdrive II (when doing missions where lots of travel is required)
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster

[Low slots]
Heat Sink IIx4
Tracking Enhancer II

That is that in short.

I understand that having XLAS isn't the best idea for missions but when charged with 400 cap boost charges you have 7 cycles which is almost 70% of your total shied so used wisely you have a shield booster that doesn't use any cap. That is the idea behind me choosing to use it.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts and suggestions.



Fit some rigs.


Yes thank you for pointing that out, edited the original post. Big smile

try again still not showing


They are on my screen, just above high slots. Big smile
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#10 - 2013-01-03 21:48:58 UTC
Is your cap so tight that you need to use an ASB over a normal shield booster? On the other hand this frees you from having to use a capacitor booster, so you have an extra midslot, and that's pretty neat.
Capt Sephiroth
#11 - 2013-01-03 22:03:54 UTC
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
Is your cap so tight that you need to use an ASB over a normal shield booster? On the other hand this frees you from having to use a capacitor booster, so you have an extra midslot, and that's pretty neat.


Well yes it is actually, even now with using ASB I have 20 mins of only gunfire with multi or gleam crystals which is more than enough to clear whole missions.

Yes having that one extra mid slot is great which I can switch between amplifier and a speed mod if I need to travel between gates instead of having to switch a tracking computer for it if I was using normal shield boost and cap booster mod.

Another good thing is that with not having advanced weapon upgrades at level 5 (not sure if even then) I am not able to fit 4 heat sinks and a tracking enhancer cause I will lack power grid to have a cap booster and shield booster fitted. (probably because of the Discharge Elutiration rig, but if I dont have that rig then my cap goes dry much faster) Big smile Dat butterfly effect Big smile
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#12 - 2013-01-03 22:13:26 UTC
I have been using this for a few months now, with crystal Implants:
[Nightmare, SatanClause]
4x Tachyon Beam Laser II (Gleam L)
Auto Targeting System II
Small Tractor Beam II

Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster
2x Federation Navy Tracking Computer

Damage Control II
4x Dark Blood Heat Sink

Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Ancillary Current Router I

Effective HP: 83,481 (Eve: 73,209)
Tank Ability: 1,596.07 DPS
Volley Damage: 6,975.67
DPS: 994.99

Cap last 52 seconds with everything on, one cycle from the Booster reps 1871 with crystal Implants, I rarely need more than 3 or 4 reps for a tough LVL4. The MWD will let you set ranges and Tachys clear fields at any range. The deadspace MWD is critical as it has 0% cap penalty. I can keep the guns running for 10 minutes nonstop till cap is dry but I have yet to ever need the guns for that long. If you’re comfortable running cap boosters then you can drop a TC for one.

I added a XL-ASB the first few weeks I used it but after never needing it so I dropped it for the lock and tracking bonuses from the mid slots.

With overload I tank 2400 dps albeit only as a burst, cap will be gone in less than 60 seconds and then the tank drops to 40 LOL.

I love flying this ship, It keeps me involved, I love my mach too but that is more like a hammer this is more like a knife.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#13 - 2013-01-03 22:26:41 UTC
Be advised that a caldari navy SB amplifier, with T2 invulns will put you at 900 DPS omni tank, which is even better than having no SB amp and those really pricy and shiny invulns.

Which in all likelihood will be much more tank than you need anyway. Replacing the SB amp with a prop mod puts you at 611.
Stillet0
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-01-03 22:37:10 UTC
fit looks ok and similar to mine. The biggest issue with lazers is tracking which you covered with 2 tracking computers and tracking enhancer in low, nice

[Nightmare, current]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Damage Control II

Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Caldari Navy EM Ward Field

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Small Tractor Beam II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II


Acolyte II x5
Infiltrator II x5
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#15 - 2013-01-03 22:46:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldiiee
I would agree 'Inkarr Hashur' a faction or deadspace SB amp is worth its wieght in gold, of course they are priced up there right next to crazy. :)
Before you waste ISK on the CCC try using a cap booster to see if the cap recharge is worth it, as the one faction invul and a T2 em rig is going to give you more than enough tank to get through most of the turn and burn missions with ease.

Oh one more thing i learned in the tournament always Overheat your ASB. they run out of charges before they die and the heat makes the rep power 20% (guessing there) more HP repaired.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#16 - 2013-01-03 22:52:19 UTC
goldiiee wrote:
I would agree 'Inkarr Hashur' a faction or deadspace SB amp is worth its wieght in gold, of course they are priced up there right next to crazy. :)
Before you waste ISK on the CCC try using a cap booster to see if the cap recharge is worth it, as the one faction invul and a T2 em rig is going to give you more than enough tank to get through most of the turn and burn missions with ease.

Oh one more thing i learned in the tournament always Overheat your ASB. they run out of charges before they die and the heat makes the rep power 20% (guessing there) more HP repaired.

1x Cald navy SB Amp is muuuuch cheaper than 2x Cald Invulns.

But hey, missioning's all about balancing ISK efficiency versus bling anyway, right? Also one method is a 4 slot tank, and the other's a 5 slot. So, yeah. Thanks for the OH tip too, that's excellent. Brings you up to a 1140 tank.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#17 - 2013-01-03 23:01:34 UTC
Inkarr Hashur wrote:
goldiiee wrote:
I would agree 'Inkarr Hashur' a faction or deadspace SB amp is worth its wieght in gold, of course they are priced up there right next to crazy. :)
Before you waste ISK on the CCC try using a cap booster to see if the cap recharge is worth it, as the one faction invul and a T2 em rig is going to give you more than enough tank to get through most of the turn and burn missions with ease.

Oh one more thing i learned in the tournament always Overheat your ASB. they run out of charges before they die and the heat makes the rep power 20% (guessing there) more HP repaired.

1x Cald navy SB Amp is muuuuch cheaper than 2x Cald Invulns.

But hey, missioning's all about balancing ISK efficiency versus bling anyway, right? Also one method is a 4 slot tank, and the other's a 5 slot. So, yeah. Thanks for the OH tip too, that's excellent. Brings you up to a 1140 tank.


Life got in the way of me running Incursions, so I took this blingy ship and started running missions to help corpies get their Jclone standings. This much isk invested to run LVL4's is kinda silly but It keeps corpies entertained and the spare High slots on a nightmare lets me augment the corpies tank with a Shield transporter and shield drones if they get in real trouble.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#18 - 2013-01-03 23:19:34 UTC
Capt Sephiroth, we could spend all night discussing EVE Fitting advice, for now you have a very well fit Nightmare for running missions I think you might even find it is a bit overtanked for most missions> I am assuming you have a set of Pulse Lasers to use for the up close and personal missions but what you have should be fine and make short work of any rat.

But start collecting a set of crystal implants you will really be amazed at the rarity you actually need to pulse the Booster, especialy when it reps 1/3 of your shield in a cycle.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
bufnitza calatoare
#19 - 2013-01-03 23:32:48 UTC
i know a setup that is cap stable and still pumps out 1200 dps.

my advice is jump on sisi and test ya setup..

just be warned... them ore pimp the more chance you will get a high sec gank..

mail me if you want a place where you can get iNavy heat sink bpc's
and pretty much never have to worry about being ganked.

will share my trade secret of 1-3b isk a week in high sec.
Capt Sephiroth
#20 - 2013-01-04 11:20:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Sephiroth
Aw didn't expect it will be such a discussion this fast so I went to sleep last night. Big smile

I would like to thank you guys for your thoughts and posts, they are all very interesting and will keep me thinking about what is my next step.

That is a really nice fit you posted Goldiiee and is probably something I will be looking to have in the future but for now I have to get my hands on Crystal set and that is my current goal. As you said you have to pulse your shield booster only a couple of times and it is the same in my case as well. The current thought is that I will be able to more shield boost with ASB and crystal set for no cap use than deadspace modules for fraction of the cost until I earn enough ISK to change that.

Thank you for the information about both overheating and about gist mwd cap will have to keep that in mind for future.

Inkarr Hashur usually for those traveling missions I don't even have to cycle my ASB since everything dies well before it gets in range to do some serious damage but for that to happen having that tracking computer is quite a nice plus and since no cycle is needed SB is redundant. But this is just my opinion.

Goldiiee I would like to ask why do you have sensor booster in your mid slots, wouldn't it be better to have another invul to increase your tank or webber even to help you with cruisers that get to close? Any one of those seem better to have than sensor booster. You can also fit an em ward amplifier instead and then change the em res rig for some other rig like CCC or something else.
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