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C1/2 Wormhole Exploring
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Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#1 - 2013-01-02 12:40:21 UTC
So what would be my best bet in exploiting C1/2 wormholes "solo"? I have 2 accounts of which the other one is capable of running an exploration frigate (not covops yet) and the other one a BC. I'm thinking of fitting a drake for fighting off the sleepers while the frigate does the scanning/salvaging/hacking/etc. Would this work?

And if I wanted to really solo it, do I need to upgrade to a Tengu or would an "all-in-one" drake with a probe launcher, codebreaker, analyzer and salvage drones work (or will it have too low tank with two mid slots lost)?
Spheranzinne
Color of Violence
#2 - 2013-01-02 13:00:42 UTC
if you can dualbox the way you described, that is the best way. Drake can handle both c1 and c2 fairly well. just keep eyes on directional and warp out if smth fishy, sleepers in low level holes dont scramble.
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#3 - 2013-01-02 13:04:27 UTC
Spheranzinne wrote:
if you can dualbox the way you described, that is the best way. Drake can handle both c1 and c2 fairly well. just keep eyes on directional and warp out if smth fishy, sleepers in low level holes dont scramble.


That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation :)

I could even fit both ships with the basic cloaker to keep them safe while I operate the other...
Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-02 13:43:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Matt Ellis
Thomas Gore wrote:
So what would be my best bet in exploiting C1/2 wormholes "solo"? I have 2 accounts of which the other one is capable of running an exploration frigate (not covops yet) and the other one a BC. I'm thinking of fitting a drake for fighting off the sleepers while the frigate does the scanning/salvaging/hacking/etc. Would this work?

And if I wanted to really solo it, do I need to upgrade to a Tengu or would an "all-in-one" drake with a probe launcher, codebreaker, analyzer and salvage drones work (or will it have too low tank with two mid slots lost)?


Why not fit a drake with cloak/probes, and field a noctis(3Salv 3 tract) with the same. Cloak up the noctis while not in use at a safe spot. But keep the drake on field with it while your salvaging for added protection. Means you have some protection from the smaller ships. Just make sure you have a target painter and either t1 missiles or precision t2s... make light work of him enough for him to give up or die...

Salvage drones wont work in WHs btw. the wrecks are too complex for them. 3% chance each. 1 salvager I is far higher... Field a noctis. and you'll clear a site in minutes... rather than 10s of minutes. less time sat about makes you less of a target...

2 ships with probes, so if one dies, you can get out...
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#5 - 2013-01-02 13:50:24 UTC
Matt Ellis wrote:
Thomas Gore wrote:
So what would be my best bet in exploiting C1/2 wormholes "solo"? I have 2 accounts of which the other one is capable of running an exploration frigate (not covops yet) and the other one a BC. I'm thinking of fitting a drake for fighting off the sleepers while the frigate does the scanning/salvaging/hacking/etc. Would this work?

And if I wanted to really solo it, do I need to upgrade to a Tengu or would an "all-in-one" drake with a probe launcher, codebreaker, analyzer and salvage drones work (or will it have too low tank with two mid slots lost)?


Why not fit a drake with cloak/probes, and field a noctis(3Salv 3 tract) with the same. Cloak up the noctis while not in use at a safe spot. But keep the drake on field with it while your salvaging for added protection. Means you have some protection from the smaller ships. Just make sure you have a target painter and either t1 missiles or precision t2s... make light work of him enough for him to give up or die...

Salvage drones wont work in WHs btw. the wrecks are too complex for them. 3% chance each. 1 salvager I is far higher... Field a noctis. and you'll clear a site in minutes... rather than 10s of minutes. less time sat about makes you less of a target...

2 ships with probes, so if one dies, you can get out...


Good point, but I was also thinking of doing the radar/mag sites in the WH. How hard are those to scan down without the scanning bonuses from the scanning ships?
Aptenodytes
Reckless Abandon
#6 - 2013-01-02 14:37:09 UTC
If you're wormhole daytripping (living in k-space and venturing into WH's during play sessions rather than living in w-space), then you can swap ships fairly easily. Get in a prober, scan down the WH, go in and scan down all the sites and bookmark them. Then hop back through the WH, swap ships to a Drake and a Noctis, kill and clear.
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#7 - 2013-01-02 14:42:59 UTC
Aptenodytes wrote:
If you're wormhole daytripping (living in k-space and venturing into WH's during play sessions rather than living in w-space), then you can swap ships fairly easily. Get in a prober, scan down the WH, go in and scan down all the sites and bookmark them. Then hop back through the WH, swap ships to a Drake and a Noctis, kill and clear.


Perfect solution. Thanks :)
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-02 17:18:56 UTC
Thomas Gore wrote:
Aptenodytes wrote:
If you're wormhole daytripping (living in k-space and venturing into WH's during play sessions rather than living in w-space), then you can swap ships fairly easily. Get in a prober, scan down the WH, go in and scan down all the sites and bookmark them. Then hop back through the WH, swap ships to a Drake and a Noctis, kill and clear.


Perfect solution. Thanks :)


Just remember that all three ships need a probe launcher.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-01-02 21:51:41 UTC
just wanted to add that a passive shield hurricane with autocannons does C1s somewhat faster than a drake.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Mister Tuggles
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#10 - 2013-01-03 00:49:12 UTC
Keep in mind that low class wormholes get A LOT of traffic. Be prepared to be ganked numerous times over.
Marsan
#11 - 2013-01-03 04:36:54 UTC
A C1 really isn't that dangerous unless:

- It's inhabited
- It's connected to an inhabited wormhole
- It's connected to high traffic HS/LS
- You don't keep punching dscan, and have a prober looking for new sigs

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
DEV1L
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-01-03 07:18:37 UTC  |  Edited by: DEV1L
for c1, 1 alt is enough +main.

In c2, suggest 3 chars (2 is okay up to you) considering a c2 with two entrance/exit. like for alt 1 guarding the h/s entrance, for alt 2, guarding the static. and main killing sleepers, unless you forgot to scan a wandering 3rd or 4th wholes, you gonna die. happened to me so its re-learning experience.

if you have 1 monitor, set up your 2/3 EVE clients, windows on top of each other (cascading) (so you do not hit d-scan more often), and turn on your speaker volumes more, so you may know if someone just jump in to the hole. if you aren't watching enough you hear a pulling sound. unless there are already lurker inside d-scan is a win button. yep.


ShockedIdea
Mister Tuggles
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#13 - 2013-01-03 12:39:24 UTC
Everyone keeps saying to watch d-scan. Yes you should do this, but keep in mind that the large majority of people stalking through W-space looking for kills are using cloaky t3.
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#14 - 2013-01-03 12:40:58 UTC
Mister Tuggles wrote:
Everyone keeps saying to watch d-scan. Yes you should do this, but keep in mind that the large majority of people stalking through W-space looking for kills are using cloaky t3.


I guess a Stealth Bomber could also work, especially against a Noctis?
Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-01-03 15:04:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Raptors Mole
Noctis is roast beef, haulers are vegetables in any WH bomber pilots diet. Vitamins are the blue loot and nano ribbon drops.

Yummy.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-01-03 15:08:39 UTC
Mister Tuggles wrote:
Everyone keeps saying to watch d-scan. Yes you should do this, but keep in mind that the large majority of people stalking through W-space looking for kills are using cloaky t3.


Yea nobody is saying dscan is foolproof. But keep in mind that the only covert ops ships that have no decloak targetting delay are stealth bombers. Everything else will have 5 seconds added to their lock time. So that gives you a little buffer of time if you are staying on the ball.
Akuma Tsukai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-03 15:52:11 UTC
Matt Ellis wrote:


Salvage drones wont work in WHs btw. the wrecks are too complex for them. 3% chance each. 1 salvager I is far higher... Field a noctis. and you'll clear a site in minutes... rather than 10s of minutes. less time sat about makes you less of a target...



My dear noob friend, before you post some crap, you should at least make it difficult to look into.
Yours truly, WH soloer, salvaging C3 with drones.
Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-01-03 16:42:04 UTC
Akuma Tsukai wrote:
Matt Ellis wrote:


Salvage drones wont work in WHs btw. the wrecks are too complex for them. 3% chance each. 1 salvager I is far higher... Field a noctis. and you'll clear a site in minutes... rather than 10s of minutes. less time sat about makes you less of a target...



My dear noob friend, before you post some crap, you should at least make it difficult to look into.
Yours truly, WH soloer, salvaging C3 with drones.


Noob friend? Excuse me?

I merely said they don't work as well as the alternative. I actually did try and field them in my C3 static AND in various High/Low/Null sites. They just don't seem to offer any benefit. And they certainly are in no way efficient. Yes you can just about use them, but as i said in the second part of my post if you would care to read it, its just not worth it. In Wormholes, speed is everything.

Quote:

Field a noctis. and you'll clear a site in minutes... rather than 10s of minutes. less time sat about makes you less of a target...
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#19 - 2013-01-04 12:28:37 UTC
Matt Ellis wrote:
Akuma Tsukai wrote:
Matt Ellis wrote:


Salvage drones wont work in WHs btw. the wrecks are too complex for them. 3% chance each. 1 salvager I is far higher... Field a noctis. and you'll clear a site in minutes... rather than 10s of minutes. less time sat about makes you less of a target...



My dear noob friend, before you post some crap, you should at least make it difficult to look into.
Yours truly, WH soloer, salvaging C3 with drones.


Noob friend? Excuse me?

I merely said they don't work as well as the alternative. I actually did try and field them in my C3 static AND in various High/Low/Null sites. They just don't seem to offer any benefit. And they certainly are in no way efficient. Yes you can just about use them, but as i said in the second part of my post if you would care to read it, its just not worth it. In Wormholes, speed is everything.

Quote:

Field a noctis. and you'll clear a site in minutes... rather than 10s of minutes. less time sat about makes you less of a target...






orr........

launch drones, set them to autosalvage, lock up the wrecks, do your business.

once everything is looted/salvaged, recall drones, move to next site, etc.

I dunno how effective they actually ARE, but I try to always have my salvage drones working alongside my Noctis. If it saves me salvaging even 1 wreck, it saves me a bit of time.
Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-01-04 13:46:12 UTC
Himnos Altar wrote:
Matt Ellis wrote:
Akuma Tsukai wrote:
Matt Ellis wrote:


Salvage drones wont work in WHs btw. the wrecks are too complex for them. 3% chance each. 1 salvager I is far higher... Field a noctis. and you'll clear a site in minutes... rather than 10s of minutes. less time sat about makes you less of a target...



My dear noob friend, before you post some crap, you should at least make it difficult to look into.
Yours truly, WH soloer, salvaging C3 with drones.


Noob friend? Excuse me?

I merely said they don't work as well as the alternative. I actually did try and field them in my C3 static AND in various High/Low/Null sites. They just don't seem to offer any benefit. And they certainly are in no way efficient. Yes you can just about use them, but as i said in the second part of my post if you would care to read it, its just not worth it. In Wormholes, speed is everything.

Quote:

Field a noctis. and you'll clear a site in minutes... rather than 10s of minutes. less time sat about makes you less of a target...






orr........

launch drones, set them to autosalvage, lock up the wrecks, do your business.

once everything is looted/salvaged, recall drones, move to next site, etc.

I dunno how effective they actually ARE, but I try to always have my salvage drones working alongside my Noctis. If it saves me salvaging even 1 wreck, it saves me a bit of time.


I still don't see the reason to putting them onto a ship which will do the same job in 1/1000 of the time. For WH ops, you're best off fitting some kind of combat/ewar drones to a noctis, so you have a slight chance of surviving if someone gets nosey...

Opinions mate... opinions..