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Collective front launched against the New Order, James315 and miner bumping.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#381 - 2013-01-03 13:41:18 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
I see this as a Goon attempt to get CCP to do some sort of mechanism that will enable people to fight from bumping, after which they will exploit the hell out of it to get easy kills, being the gank bears that they are. If they kill botters and people AFK mining in poorly tanked ships so what? CCP made mining ships viable which made me a happy bunny, personally I have no idea why people fly anything other than a Skiff? In terms of the bumping, they used the bumping of freighters first, now there is this effort, so they obviously think that they can manipulate CCP from the reaction of miners, do not fall for it, you have the ship classes to be fairly safe from gankers, use them, you can orbit close to roids and make it difficult to bump, do it!

A Skiff is fast and can nip around, if you get hassled by these people switch to one and laugh at them, you can get a Skiff to 104k EHP, how may Gank Catalysts is that? Seriously man up stop moaning and use the existing mechanics to defeat them, now we have mining ships that have defences better than a wet paper bag people should use them!


Ahh the classic "it's a goonspiracy" argument.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#382 - 2013-01-03 13:52:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Danks wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I see this as a Goon attempt to


Funny how everything seems to get tied back to the goons Lol

I've been following the miner bumping because the reactions are hilarious, it just boggles my mind how people can hem and haw and complain but not actually DO anything.

How's this latest resistance coming along?


Its easy enough to work out! Big smile

I can understand why they get upset, if they pick on miners who have multiple accounts and fund them through plex they are going to react very defensively and intense as it directly affects their ability to play, I often think that this is where the strongest reaction comes from. Truthfully, when you look at most gankers they are normally not easy to get at, however the recent changes have helped, with bounties that do work, and the kill rights.

Most miners do not PvP, also if gankers are spread out in NPC and one man corps and you can only blow up a catalyst or two you sort of think meh... This group does seem to be setting themselves up to be war decc'd which will create some content in the game, however they do like to create false resistence groups and setup naive people, once your very aware of the ease with which spies and gankers can hide their origins you sort of think, what is the point. Who can forget that anti-CFC HS entity that was nothing more than a front to get people into null for massive ganking sessions. Even if this guy is legit, his group will be so infested with spies it would be useless, which is why most people do not bother.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#383 - 2013-01-03 14:00:56 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ahh the classic "it's a goonspiracy" argument.


Ahh the classic rebuttal with no substance, though of course I made a statement without any details to back it up either, however I don't care if someone is not able to find the links, I have and that is all that matters to me and of course laughing at those that cannot...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#384 - 2013-01-03 15:05:55 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:

I can understand why they get upset, if they pick on miners who have multiple accounts and fund them through plex they are going to react very defensively and intense as it directly affects their ability to play, I often think that this is where the strongest reaction comes from.

Serious question. If they are almost entirely AFK are they really playing?
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#385 - 2013-01-03 15:11:30 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ahh the classic "it's a goonspiracy" argument.


Ahh the classic rebuttal with no substance, though of course I made a statement without any details to back it up either, however I don't care if someone is not able to find the links, I have and that is all that matters to me and of course laughing at those that cannot...


You need to prove something true with evidence before it can be refuted. Once you try to do that I'm sure people will back up their claims with evidence.

Just claiming "goon conspiracy" holds about as much weight as saying "no it isn't".
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#386 - 2013-01-03 15:20:01 UTC
One has to ask if you are ice mining are you really playing because, even though I am watching it, my actions are wait to bay fills up warp to station, unload, undock, warp to bm target roid and wait, the wait part is a significant period, I have the odd rat to kill when the blighters jam me, but that is it. So to answer your question AFK mining is not far removed from actual mining at the keyboard...

Fractal Muse wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

I can understand why they get upset, if they pick on miners who have multiple accounts and fund them through plex they are going to react very defensively and intense as it directly affects their ability to play, I often think that this is where the strongest reaction comes from.

Serious question. If they are almost entirely AFK are they really playing?


When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#387 - 2013-01-03 15:22:43 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
One has to ask if you are ice mining are you really playing because, even though I am watching it, my actions are wait to bay fills up warp to station, unload, undock, warp to bm target roid and wait, the wait part is a significant period, I have the odd rat to kill when the blighters jam me, but that is it. So to answer your question AFK mining is not far removed from actual mining at the keyboard...

Fair enough.

I've never ice mined.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#388 - 2013-01-03 15:23:07 UTC
Danks wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Ahh the classic "it's a goonspiracy" argument.


Ahh the classic rebuttal with no substance, though of course I made a statement without any details to back it up either, however I don't care if someone is not able to find the links, I have and that is all that matters to me and of course laughing at those that cannot...


You need to prove something true with evidence before it can be refuted. Once you try to do that I'm sure people will back up their claims with evidence.

Just claiming "goon conspiracy" holds about as much weight as saying "no it isn't".


As I said, I don't care!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#389 - 2013-01-03 15:55:44 UTC
Then why bring it up? Oh yeah that's right, another troll.....
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#390 - 2013-01-03 15:59:19 UTC
If you say so Big smile

Danks wrote:
Then why bring it up? Oh yeah that's right, another troll.....

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Casanunda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#391 - 2013-01-03 17:02:09 UTC
Dracvlad, you're pretty far wide of the mark, sure there is the the odd CFC and HBC member taking part in the current gank n bump campaign, there are also players who are former mission runners, miners, & industrialists dipping their toes into PvP, some hisec PvP pilots, and some pilots that are red to pretty much everyone because they are blue to -A-.

In short there are people from all walks of Eve life taking part, and within our own little community hisec, losec and nullsec players are all working together (a sight rarely seen in Eve).

I'm one of the former carebears that has recently discovered that Eve can actually be fun again, 3 years of grinding PvE in wormholes and hisec have gotten boring, I'm branching out into the PvP aspect of the game and having an absolute blast burning my way through ships.

The fact that I am not a gazillionaire Gallente aristocrat with the sexual capacity of a rutting rhino is a constant niggle.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#392 - 2013-01-03 17:22:23 UTC
a) The Mittani goes into semi-retirement.
b) Goons stop doing anything outrageous.
c) Wannabe demagogue rushes in to fill the void in stunts and attention-seeking. Unfortunately, his b.s. is pretty weak and not that entertaining. But fortunately, he provides a cheap, no-risk, low skill factor form of lulz for bullies.
d) This thread and the present situation.
Runeme Shilter
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#393 - 2013-01-03 18:18:33 UTC
Danks wrote:
Then why bring it up? Oh yeah that's right, another troll.....


It's IRC, did you expect different?
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#394 - 2013-01-03 18:43:42 UTC
Lin Suizei wrote:


I gank using my main, because I love killing people who think they cannot be killed in Highsec. I'm not the only one either.


Anyone who thinks they can't be killed in high sec, just because it's high sec, hasn't been paying attention. (to ANYTHING)

The tutorial mission texts are replete with warnings of "don't buy what you can't afford to lose", "don't fly what you can't afford to lose", remember that "your ship is at risk" every time you undock "no matter where you are" and a whole plethora of similar comments and statements describing the danger that awaits any player in space.


Condensed it comes down to:
"I want high sec my way"

So do I, and so does every other player, unfortunately "that's simply not going to happen" for most folks, the game's mechanics are why the game works, sure in some areas they aren't perfect, but in my years of playing, I've not found a "better" sandbox game yet.

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#395 - 2013-01-03 19:18:18 UTC
With respect, the makeup of the troops who are acting for their own fun anyway makes no difference what so ever to who is pulling the strings.

Bombers bar, that is something like you mentioned, I might try that myself at some point.

Good luck with the PvP, go for the full spectum, 1v1, small gang, large fleet, ganking, try it all, it is fun...

Casanunda wrote:
Dracvlad, you're pretty far wide of the mark, sure there is the the odd CFC and HBC member taking part in the current gank n bump campaign, there are also players who are former mission runners, miners, & industrialists dipping their toes into PvP, some hisec PvP pilots, and some pilots that are red to pretty much everyone because they are blue to -A-.

In short there are people from all walks of Eve life taking part, and within our own little community hisec, losec and nullsec players are all working together (a sight rarely seen in Eve).

I'm one of the former carebears that has recently discovered that Eve can actually be fun again, 3 years of grinding PvE in wormholes and hisec have gotten boring, I'm branching out into the PvP aspect of the game and having an absolute blast burning my way through ships.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#396 - 2013-01-03 19:23:34 UTC
a) The Mittani created a structure and an approach that worked, something like that would take some time to unravel even with a lessor person in charge of it. I have no real idea of his level of play anyway, but in those types of positions you spend more time out of game then in game...

b) Not that I have noticed

c) Take it as a culling of the stupid, I am often amazed at the fits now that people can tank a ship to make it more difficult, yet people still have cargo rigs, what the hell!

d) Its been a long term aim of the griefing community to have some sort of aggression for bumping, the possibilities are endless if CCP does a knee jerk fix

Khergit Deserters wrote:
a) The Mittani goes into semi-retirement.
b) Goons stop doing anything outrageous.
c) Wannabe demagogue rushes in to fill the void in stunts and attention-seeking. Unfortunately, his b.s. is pretty weak and not that entertaining. But fortunately, he provides a cheap, no-risk, low skill factor form of lulz for bullies.
d) This thread and the present situation.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#397 - 2013-01-03 19:28:35 UTC
IRC is on the verge of a fail cascade IMO, and there are a number of reasons for it, but the most evident is that the leadership is not a patch on that of the Goons, I have to say that I have the upmost respect for the Mittani because its a very rare person who can actually apply the lessons of the Art of War effectively. Bluntly put he won Eve.

Does that help in your name calling, lol

Runeme Shilter wrote:
Danks wrote:
Then why bring it up? Oh yeah that's right, another troll.....


It's IRC, did you expect different?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#398 - 2013-01-03 21:22:24 UTC
In related news, the 'Proveldtariat' movement claims to be alive again! Imagine! Two (three if you count the New New Order, who don't even have a website) independently (not-)operating against the New Order!

I wonder how we'll cope.
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#399 - 2013-01-03 21:55:31 UTC
I support this 100%. Amelia Torez look for my mail in game aswell as my dontation. What else can I do to help?

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Zoe Panala
Blobcats
#400 - 2013-01-03 23:16:35 UTC
LeHerp Aggin wrote:
Tippia wrote:
LeHerp Aggin wrote:
Noone should interfere with how i want to play Eve in High Sec.

Lol Humour.


As a new player to Eve, it's really annoying to deal with these miner bumpers. I don't have 10 or 30 mil ISK to drop to be rid of the harassment. Even if I had the money why would i hand it over to some kid who wants to play on the internet.

Please do not evade the word filter or Godwin the thread. Thank you. -ISD Dorrim Barstorlode


Dont mine at all. I can give you ships and tell you how to make ISK by orbitting plex buttons in dead end systems. You will make more than what youd make in a Hulk.