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Ethical Issues W/ Regards to Bot Banning

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Charlepetit LaJoie
Trust Me Ltd
#21 - 2013-01-03 03:38:37 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
.... an EVE pubbie gets scammed out of billions of ISK and multiple cap ships by an advanced Bot, without ever realizing it was not a human being....


Are you suggesting bots use margin trading?
Singular Snowflake
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-01-03 03:43:12 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:

I'm in the process of joining Goonwaffe (after my 5bn Background Check Fee is processed, and my caps are transported to VFK); I was discussing current fleet strategy with my recruiter, and he let that drop Twisted (just kidding, he said he doesn't mind if I post about it).

Please let this be true and not a troll.

Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#23 - 2013-01-03 03:44:05 UTC
Singular Snowflake wrote:
Thomas Hurt wrote:

I'm in the process of joining Goonwaffe (after my 5bn Background Check Fee is processed, and my caps are transported to VFK); I was discussing current fleet strategy with my recruiter, and he let that drop Twisted (just kidding, he said he doesn't mind if I post about it).

Please let this be true and not a troll.



Believe it or not, some people enjoy Goons' antics and actually want to join their corporation, but I digress; I don't want to make this a thread about Goonwaffe (G*d knows we get enough of those in General).
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-01-03 03:48:39 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Rumors abound that the Goonswarm Federation is also experimenting with bots capable of participating in large-scale PvP through communication with a human fleet leader and a pre-programmed set of fleet commands (bump FC, orbit at 69km, mimic genitals on the Avatar, etc.).

Interesting concept. Where did you hear about this from?


I'm in the process of joining Goonwaffe (after my 5bn Background Check Fee is processed, and my caps are transported to VFK); I was discussing current fleet strategy with my recruiter, and he let that drop Twisted (just kidding, he said he doesn't mind if I post about it).


lololol

say goodbye to your 5 billion, and your caps. just say goodbye, farewell, so long, adieu, etc etc.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

stoicfaux
#25 - 2013-01-03 03:50:16 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Rumors abound that the Goonswarm Federation is also experimenting with bots capable of participating in large-scale PvP through communication with a human fleet leader and a pre-programmed set of fleet commands (bump FC, orbit at 69km, mimic genitals on the Avatar, etc.).

Interesting concept. Where did you hear about this from?


I'm in the process of joining Goonwaffe (after my 5bn Background Check Fee is processed, and my caps are transported to VFK); I was discussing current fleet strategy with my recruiter, and he let that drop Twisted (just kidding, he said he doesn't mind if I post about it).


lololol

say goodbye to your 5 billion, and your caps. just say goodbye, farewell, so long, adieu, etc etc.

Your sarcasm detector, it does nothing!

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-01-03 03:50:38 UTC
Singular Snowflake wrote:
Thomas Hurt wrote:

I'm in the process of joining Goonwaffe (after my 5bn Background Check Fee is processed, and my caps are transported to VFK); I was discussing current fleet strategy with my recruiter, and he let that drop Twisted (just kidding, he said he doesn't mind if I post about it).

Please let this be true and not a troll.



I hope it's true. Goonswarm don't charge a deposit for membership - there is only one way to really get in. This has the hallmarks of their popular "recruitment" scam and as a victim of it myself, all have to say is lol and I'm glad I only got done for half a billion. If this guy just lost 5 bil AND CAPS... that's just hilarious!! Twisted

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Thomas Orca
Broski is ded
#27 - 2013-01-03 03:52:59 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


I hope it's true. Goonswarm don't charge a deposit for membership - there is only one way to really get in. This has the hallmarks of their popular "recruitment" scam and as a victim of it myself, all have to say is lol and I'm glad I only got done for half a billion. If this guy just lost 5 bil AND CAPS... that's just hilarious!! Twisted


If you want to get back at the evil goonies and learn the arts of ~elite~ PvP, I will gladly help you get into the glorious PizzaCo, for a small consideration.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-01-03 03:54:27 UTC
Thomas Orca wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


I hope it's true. Goonswarm don't charge a deposit for membership - there is only one way to really get in. This has the hallmarks of their popular "recruitment" scam and as a victim of it myself, all have to say is lol and I'm glad I only got done for half a billion. If this guy just lost 5 bil AND CAPS... that's just hilarious!! Twisted


If you want to get back at the evil goonies and learn the arts of ~elite~ PvP, I will gladly help you get into the glorious PizzaCo, for a small consideration.


Nope. I fully intend to go about joining GoonWaffe the legitimate way, but I also intend to blow up the "recruiter" that scammed me, even if it's only once to make him :feelbad: Lol

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

stoicfaux
#29 - 2013-01-03 04:00:44 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Thomas Orca wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


I hope it's true. Goonswarm don't charge a deposit for membership - there is only one way to really get in. This has the hallmarks of their popular "recruitment" scam and as a victim of it myself, all have to say is lol and I'm glad I only got done for half a billion. If this guy just lost 5 bil AND CAPS... that's just hilarious!! Twisted


If you want to get back at the evil goonies and learn the arts of ~elite~ PvP, I will gladly help you get into the glorious PizzaCo, for a small consideration.


Nope. I fully intend to go about joining GoonWaffe the legitimate way, but I also intend to blow up the "recruiter" that scammed me, even if it's only once to make him :feelbad: Lol

Oh gawd, my stupidity detector. It does nothing! Shocked

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-01-03 04:07:43 UTC
The problem is that at some point, it won't be a bot being banned, but a reasoning, feeling, albeit artificial entity.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Singular Snowflake
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-01-03 04:09:18 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Thomas Orca wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


I hope it's true. Goonswarm don't charge a deposit for membership - there is only one way to really get in. This has the hallmarks of their popular "recruitment" scam and as a victim of it myself, all have to say is lol and I'm glad I only got done for half a billion. If this guy just lost 5 bil AND CAPS... that's just hilarious!! Twisted


If you want to get back at the evil goonies and learn the arts of ~elite~ PvP, I will gladly help you get into the glorious PizzaCo, for a small consideration.


Nope. I fully intend to go about joining GoonWaffe the legitimate way, but I also intend to blow up the "recruiter" that scammed me, even if it's only once to make him :feelbad: Lol


What? Big smile
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-01-03 04:16:00 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Thomas Orca wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


I hope it's true. Goonswarm don't charge a deposit for membership - there is only one way to really get in. This has the hallmarks of their popular "recruitment" scam and as a victim of it myself, all have to say is lol and I'm glad I only got done for half a billion. If this guy just lost 5 bil AND CAPS... that's just hilarious!! Twisted


If you want to get back at the evil goonies and learn the arts of ~elite~ PvP, I will gladly help you get into the glorious PizzaCo, for a small consideration.


Nope. I fully intend to go about joining GoonWaffe the legitimate way, but I also intend to blow up the "recruiter" that scammed me, even if it's only once to make him :feelbad: Lol

Oh gawd, my stupidity detector. It does nothing! Shocked


Did you check the batteries?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-01-03 04:25:20 UTC
We don't know who struck first, us or them. But we do know it was us that scorched the sky.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-01-03 04:35:14 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
We don't know who struck first, us or them. But we do know it was us that scorched the sky.


Did you finally find some drugs?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#35 - 2013-01-03 04:46:32 UTC
He is merely referencing a documentary about the bots using humans.
galenwade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-01-03 05:05:32 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Anyone who has played EVE long enough knows that there is a substantial and persistent Bot presence (in mining, station trading, PvE, etc.). Anyone who keeps up with technological advancements and science news knows that AIs are getting more and more advanced; we are fast approaching a point in EVE where the bots will be functionally indistinguishable from humans; they will be able to pass what I have dubbed the "Jack Gates Test", wherein an EVE pubbie gets scammed out of billions of ISK and multiple cap ships by an advanced Bot, without ever realizing it was not a human being. Rumors abound that the Goonswarm Federation is also experimenting with bots capable of participating in large-scale PvP through communication with a human fleet leader and a pre-programmed set of fleet commands (bump FC, orbit at 69km, mimic genitals on the Avatar, etc.).

With all this comes the very real possibility that these new Bots will develop a human-like Ego and sense of personalized will, which raises all sorts of ethical issues that I'm not sure the MMO community is prepared to deal with, though EVE players are certainly more enlightened than the average WoW caveman. Will CCP have to re-evaluate their stance on Bots if (dare I say, When?) they become independent paying customers that split off from their human masters and form their own corporations?




Now if i could just get the bastards to do my tax , clean my house and walk the dog i would be set . Roll
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-01-03 05:06:27 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
He is merely referencing a documentary about the bots using humans.


I don't normally watch documentaries... but when I do, I'm pretty high.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-01-03 05:16:10 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
He is merely referencing a documentary about the bots using humans.

Yes, The Matrix is a truly inspiring and insightful documentary on the ethics of human behavior toward sentient machines.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-01-03 05:22:57 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Anyone who has played EVE long enough knows that there is a substantial and persistent Bot presence (in mining, station trading, PvE, etc.). Anyone who keeps up with technological advancements and science news knows that AIs are getting more and more advanced; we are fast approaching a point in EVE where the bots will be functionally indistinguishable from humans; they will be able to pass what I have dubbed the "Jack Gates Test", wherein an EVE pubbie gets scammed out of billions of ISK and multiple cap ships by an advanced Bot, without ever realizing it was not a human being. Rumors abound that the Goonswarm Federation is also experimenting with bots capable of participating in large-scale PvP through communication with a human fleet leader and a pre-programmed set of fleet commands (bump FC, orbit at 69km, mimic genitals on the Avatar, etc.).

With all this comes the very real possibility that these new Bots will develop a human-like Ego and sense of personalized will, which raises all sorts of ethical issues that I'm not sure the MMO community is prepared to deal with, though EVE players are certainly more enlightened than the average WoW caveman. Will CCP have to re-evaluate their stance on Bots if (dare I say, When?) they become independent paying customers that split off from their human masters and form their own corporations?


omg .. ur right .. the goonies must all be banned noa!!!
we must save eve, ban the goonies !!!



seriously though, wtf are u smoking ???

holloywood has it wrong
the AI they portray isnt AI

we have AI now. the car you drive was built by an AI robot
AI is not aware
thats when you get scared and need to hide in a deep hole where you hope it can't find you.

Ai is nothing
Self Aware is the real scary nightmare that we face oneday

bots in comparison to this .. pfft don't make me laugh
Dalmont Delantee
Gecko Corp
#40 - 2013-01-03 06:41:35 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Anyone who has played EVE long enough knows that there is a substantial and persistent Bot presence (in mining, station trading, PvE, etc.). Anyone who keeps up with technological advancements and science news knows that AIs are getting more and more advanced; we are fast approaching a point in EVE where the bots will be functionally indistinguishable from humans; they will be able to pass what I have dubbed the "Jack Gates Test", wherein an EVE pubbie gets scammed out of billions of ISK and multiple cap ships by an advanced Bot, without ever realizing it was not a human being. Rumors abound that the Goonswarm Federation is also experimenting with bots capable of participating in large-scale PvP through communication with a human fleet leader and a pre-programmed set of fleet commands (bump FC, orbit at 69km, mimic genitals on the Avatar, etc.).

With all this comes the very real possibility that these new Bots will develop a human-like Ego and sense of personalized will, which raises all sorts of ethical issues that I'm not sure the MMO community is prepared to deal with, though EVE players are certainly more enlightened than the average WoW caveman. Will CCP have to re-evaluate their stance on Bots if (dare I say, When?) they become independent paying customers that split off from their human masters and form their own corporations?


The day they get a job, earn money and hate their life is the day they can play legitimately :P
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