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Ethical Issues W/ Regards to Bot Banning

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Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#1 - 2013-01-03 02:39:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Hurt
Anyone who has played EVE long enough knows that there is a substantial and persistent Bot presence (in mining, station trading, PvE, etc.). Anyone who keeps up with technological advancements and science news knows that AIs are getting more and more advanced; we are fast approaching a point in EVE where the bots will be functionally indistinguishable from humans; they will be able to pass what I have dubbed the "Jack Gates Test", wherein an EVE pubbie gets scammed out of billions of ISK and multiple cap ships by an advanced Bot, without ever realizing it was not a human being. Rumors abound that the Goonswarm Federation is also experimenting with bots capable of participating in large-scale PvP through communication with a human fleet leader and a pre-programmed set of fleet commands (bump FC, orbit at 69km, mimic genitals on the Avatar, etc.).

With all this comes the very real possibility that these new Bots will develop a human-like Ego and sense of personalized will, which raises all sorts of ethical issues that I'm not sure the MMO community is prepared to deal with, though EVE players are certainly more enlightened than the average WoW caveman. Will CCP have to re-evaluate their stance on Bots if (dare I say, When?) they become independent paying customers that split off from their human masters and form their own corporations?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-01-03 02:42:05 UTC
****, I'd better hide my stash before you smoke all of it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#3 - 2013-01-03 02:44:00 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Anyone who has played EVE long enough knows that there is a substantial and persistent Bot presence (in mining, station trading, PvE, etc.). Anyone who keeps up with technological advancements and science news knows that AIs are getting more and more advanced; we are fast approaching a point in EVE where the bots will be functionally indistinguishable from humans; they will be able to pass what I have dubbed the "Jack Gates Test", wherein an EVE pubbie gets scammed out of billions of ISK and multiple cap ships by an advanced Bot, without ever realizing it was not a human being. Rumors abound that the Goonswarm Federation is also experimenting with bots capable of participating in large-scale PvP through communication with a human fleet leader and a pre-programmed set of fleet commands (bump FC, orbit at 69km, mimic genitals on the Avatar, etc.).

With all this comes the very real possibility that these new Bots will develop a human-like Ego and sense of personalized will, which raises all sorts of ethical issues that I'm not sure the MMO community is prepared to deal with, though EVE players are certainly more enlightened than the average WoW caveman. Will CCP have to re-evaluate their stance on Bots if (dare I say, When?) they become independent paying customers that split off from their human masters and form their own corporations?


Dude, seriously, RP forums is that way.....->


Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#4 - 2013-01-03 02:44:15 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
****, I'd better hide my stash before you smoke all of it.


I'm guessing that you meant to suggest that I was "High" when I made this thread, but the content of your post would imply that I am not currently inebriated on the Marijuana plant but seeking to become so. Try again, troll.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#5 - 2013-01-03 02:45:40 UTC
Rumors abound that the Goonswarm Federation is also experimenting with bots capable of participating in large-scale PvP through communication with a human fleet leader and a pre-programmed set of fleet commands (bump FC, orbit at 69km, mimic genitals on the Avatar, etc.).

this sentence itself ;; explain everything in all the universe so ..

open your eyes people we are all Bots :x even when you log off .. it's still the program running as intended :))

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-01-03 02:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Thomas Hurt wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
****, I'd better hide my stash before you smoke all of it.


I'm guessing that you meant to suggest that I was "High" when I made this thread, but the content of your post would imply that I am not currently inebriated on the ********* plant but seeking to become so. Try again, troll.

Or that you were high and wanted to stay high.

It reads exactly like the kind of stuff I would write while high. Highly speculative thought about the future, especially with regards to things like the emergence of machine intelligence, etc.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Singular Snowflake
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-03 02:50:30 UTC
Some of the miner population have actually moved past that stage. The bots do not try to become human - the humans try to act more like the bots.
Olleybear
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2013-01-03 03:03:02 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
With all this comes the very real possibility that these new Bots will develop a human-like Ego and sense of personalized will, which raises all sorts of ethical issues that I'm not sure the MMO community is prepared to deal with, though EVE players are certainly more enlightened than the average WoW caveman. Will CCP have to re-evaluate their stance on Bots if (dare I say, When?) they become independent paying customers that split off from their human masters and form their own corporations?

We are a long, looonnggg way off from having Commander Datas from Star Trek running around our Eve universe.

The answer is no. CCP wont have anything to re-evaluate

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Hannah Flex
#9 - 2013-01-03 03:06:10 UTC
30. Rumor threads and posts

Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. Players who engage in these type of threads can expect to receive a warning and ban.
Tazarak theDeceiver
United Mining and Hauling Inc
The Initiative.
#10 - 2013-01-03 03:06:37 UTC
Sudden Clarity Clarence sees Bladerunner for first time.
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#11 - 2013-01-03 03:08:49 UTC
Hannah Flex wrote:
30. Rumor threads and posts

Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. Players who engage in these type of threads can expect to receive a warning and ban.


I'm sorry, I wasn't aware "Kicking off an insightful and thought-provoking discussion" fell under the umbrella of "Trolling" these days; though I'm pretty sure that posting contentless insults in an interesting thread DOES count as trolling...
Hannah Flex
#12 - 2013-01-03 03:10:50 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Hannah Flex wrote:
30. Rumor threads and posts

Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. Players who engage in these type of threads can expect to receive a warning and ban.


I'm sorry, I wasn't aware "Kicking off an insightful and thought-provoking discussion" fell under the umbrella of "Trolling" these days; though I'm pretty sure that posting contentless insults in an interesting thread DOES count as trolling...


Thomas Hurt wrote:
Rumors abound that the Goonswarm Federation
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#13 - 2013-01-03 03:13:18 UTC
Hannah Flex wrote:
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Hannah Flex wrote:
30. Rumor threads and posts

Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. Players who engage in these type of threads can expect to receive a warning and ban.


I'm sorry, I wasn't aware "Kicking off an insightful and thought-provoking discussion" fell under the umbrella of "Trolling" these days; though I'm pretty sure that posting contentless insults in an interesting thread DOES count as trolling...


Thomas Hurt wrote:
Rumors abound that the Goonswarm Federation


So I named an alliance and brought up their ground-breaking and ingenious use of AI; so what? What are you even trying to say?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#14 - 2013-01-03 03:18:22 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Rumors abound that the Goonswarm Federation is also experimenting with bots capable of participating in large-scale PvP through communication with a human fleet leader and a pre-programmed set of fleet commands (bump FC, orbit at 69km, mimic genitals on the Avatar, etc.).

Interesting concept. Where did you hear about this from?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#15 - 2013-01-03 03:21:38 UTC
Is that you Riverini??

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Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#16 - 2013-01-03 03:24:29 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Rumors abound that the Goonswarm Federation is also experimenting with bots capable of participating in large-scale PvP through communication with a human fleet leader and a pre-programmed set of fleet commands (bump FC, orbit at 69km, mimic genitals on the Avatar, etc.).

Interesting concept. Where did you hear about this from?


I'm in the process of joining Goonwaffe (after my 5bn Background Check Fee is processed, and my caps are transported to VFK); I was discussing current fleet strategy with my recruiter, and he let that drop Twisted (just kidding, he said he doesn't mind if I post about it).
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#17 - 2013-01-03 03:26:08 UTC
Anything about Goons doing X I take it with some degree of truth cause those mofo's are liable to try it.
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-01-03 03:27:48 UTC
how do we know OP is not a forum bot trying to cover his ass?
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#19 - 2013-01-03 03:30:16 UTC
If / when we develop sentient self-aware AIs, we will have much bigger problems than whether or not they should be aloud to play video games. Namely Arnold Schwarzenegger shaped robots travelling back in time to kill Sarah Connor.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#20 - 2013-01-03 03:35:48 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Rumors abound that the Goonswarm Federation is also experimenting with bots capable of participating in large-scale PvP through communication with a human fleet leader and a pre-programmed set of fleet commands (bump FC, orbit at 69km, mimic genitals on the Avatar, etc.).

Interesting concept. Where did you hear about this from?


I'm in the process of joining Goonwaffe (after my 5bn Background Check Fee is processed, and my caps are transported to VFK); I was discussing current fleet strategy with my recruiter, and he let that drop Twisted (just kidding, he said he doesn't mind if I post about it).


Confirmation. This is a troll and rumor thread. I look forward to future posts by you. You will prove to be most entertaining.
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