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CCP, why allow one alliance so much influence?

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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-01-02 16:47:45 UTC
Ah. I wake up and read GD for the "WAAAAH! GOONS! DO SOMETHING CCP!" threads. This thread delivers, would read again.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#62 - 2013-01-02 16:49:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Sentient Blade wrote:
It doesn't matter where they're recruited from, unless it's illegal. Their external base has nothing to do with how they have their influence in EVE.

The problem is how the mechanics allow larger alliances to monopolise large areas without necessarally using them, and how that puts obsticles in the way of other alliances growing to challenge them.

The problem with this problem is that salted-earth is a valid tactic.


The mechanics aren't standing in your way, you want it, you take it.
I'm no goon lover to be sure but you got to hand it to them cause even when they've bitten so many of those in the past in their alliance and still manage to sit on top in game, that says something about their game play AND yes I hate big alliances influence on the game but that's what happens when you're the small lone fish in the pond.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-01-02 16:51:41 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
The problem really boils down to - sov warfare is broken and no one, including CCP, knows how to make it not broken. They are some ideas floating around, but none of them, imo, yields a better system than the one we have now, nor does anything to stymie the kind of power projection we see in the game now.

sov warfare is broken because it's a waterfall system, as opposed to a process where you wear down the opponent. If a suggestion is one where the normal defense procedure isn't blueball all but the last timer and zergrush everyone into the system for the final timer, but rather a gradual pendulum of progress back and forth (depending on who wins that day), it's a good suggestion.

If it's a suggestion of scaling up costs exponentially to alliance size or holding size, it's a bad suggestion and whomever thought it up should take a frying pan to the face and shut up.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
SeriousPixels
xPrivateers
#64 - 2013-01-02 17:03:21 UTC
Catharian Sabezan wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
translation

Quote:
dear ccp,

i am biased against goons, do something.

yours tearfully, some scrub on the forum.



Au contraire, I am merely a concerned Eve citizen who sees that dangerous misbalance of power in this game can have a detrimental experience on everyone's game experience.

As you can see by GS's declining player base, esp. this year, and now the death knell is sounding , with the decline of the Something awful forums from which they recruit, you can easily see GS is in decline.

I am merely pointing out to CCP that they can finally stop bending backwards everytime the Goons scream about something. This is good thing for the game. Whats wrong with that?


Can't tell if serious?

But I love how you hide your true identity behind some 2 month old cloak and dagger ALT - substantiate your claims and show your self, show us influential common goons who you are and where you base your claims from.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2013-01-02 17:08:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
cfc is like only 1/10th goon and its culture can really be described as a continuation of NC culture
SA's health as a site (there's a front page?) won't change that
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#66 - 2013-01-02 17:11:45 UTC
I've always been of the opinion that (for game play purposes) the larger the territory you hold:

1: The more lucurative it becomes.
2: The more difficult it should be to effectively defend.

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Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-01-02 17:14:04 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Ah. I wake up and read GD for the "WAAAAH! GOONS! DO SOMETHING CCP!" threads. This thread delivers, would read again.

The vast majority of these are posted by Goons themselves. Most of eve doesn't really care.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2013-01-02 17:16:24 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
The problem really boils down to - sov warfare is broken and no one, including CCP, knows how to make it not broken. They are some ideas floating around, but none of them, imo, yields a better system than the one we have now, nor does anything to stymie the kind of power projection we see in the game now.

sov warfare is broken because it's a waterfall system, as opposed to a process where you wear down the opponent. If a suggestion is one where the normal defense procedure isn't blueball all but the last timer and zergrush everyone into the system for the final timer, but rather a gradual pendulum of progress back and forth (depending on who wins that day), it's a good suggestion.

If it's a suggestion of scaling up costs exponentially to alliance size or holding size, it's a bad suggestion and whomever thought it up should take a frying pan to the face and shut up.

So, something like FW plexes? Where you have to patrol your systems, to prevent hostiles from destabilizing your sovereignty control and making your systems vulnerable?

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Ginger Barbarella
#69 - 2013-01-02 17:16:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
First, SA does not == Eve Online subscriptions

Second, caring why???

Third, Goonies have zero impact on my game. Why should anyone other than other Goonies spend more than a heartbeat thinking about them? Look, I've already wasted 45 seconds of my precious life on them.

Edit: posting in a goonies alt thread. Someone else doesn't know how to post in CAOD, evidently.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#70 - 2013-01-02 17:17:02 UTC
Huh, so you say we'll run out of newbies in frigates.

Hmm.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-01-02 17:20:02 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Ah. I wake up and read GD for the "WAAAAH! GOONS! DO SOMETHING CCP!" threads. This thread delivers, would read again.

The vast majority of these are posted by Goons themselves. Most of eve doesn't really care.

My reply.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-01-02 17:21:49 UTC
Hi,

I was recruited from within EVE, not from SA.


Goonspiracy thread number 3947839201373759.

Get an imagination and be more creative next time. Maybe include some pics to storyboard the goons rise to power, and takeover of CCP.

Maybe show a scorecard with goons winning EVE.

Something.
Anything.

The OP is just awful posting.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#73 - 2013-01-02 17:24:03 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Hi,

I was recruited from within EVE, not from SA.


Goonspiracy thread number 3947839201373759.

Get an imagination and be more creative next time. Maybe include some pics to storyboard the goons rise to power, and takeover of CCP.

Maybe show a scorecard with goons winning EVE.

Something.
Anything.

The OP is just awful posting.

Isn't there a storyboard thing somewhere, where titans are elephants being stabbed to death with spears?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ginger Barbarella
#74 - 2013-01-02 17:25:26 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
The problem really boils down to - sov warfare is broken and no one, including CCP, knows how to make it not broken. They are some ideas floating around, but none of them, imo, yields a better system than the one we have now, nor does anything to stymie the kind of power projection we see in the game now.

sov warfare is broken because it's a waterfall system, as opposed to a process where you wear down the opponent. If a suggestion is one where the normal defense procedure isn't blueball all but the last timer and zergrush everyone into the system for the final timer, but rather a gradual pendulum of progress back and forth (depending on who wins that day), it's a good suggestion.

If it's a suggestion of scaling up costs exponentially to alliance size or holding size, it's a bad suggestion and whomever thought it up should take a frying pan to the face and shut up.

So, something like FW plexes? Where you have to patrol your systems, to prevent hostiles from destabilizing your sovereignty control and making your systems vulnerable?


Game is full of NPCs. I suggest requiring regular patrols in all held systems, and large fleets of NPCs (as well as small, well-skilled NPC guerilla teams) regularly probing and attacking ships. No, not Incursion type things (do nullbears even do Incursions anymore???), but honest-to-god hit-and-run by large NPC forces with comparable skills/tactics to players to hit regularly trying to expand their OWN sphere of influence.

Want a "better", more profitable null sec? Do that.

But then, since null is empty, what does it matter, yeah? Blink

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#75 - 2013-01-02 17:27:03 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Huh, so you say we'll run out of newbies in frigates.

Hmm.


Time for a newbee drive since we are in obvious decline, I read it on EVE-O


In a thread about having too much influence/power

Straight

.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-01-02 17:27:33 UTC
It's just,

That little piece of basil on a pile of **** usually helps when consuming said pile of ****.

The OP couldn't even give us a little basil? WTF.
We took over CCP, don't we deserve a little basil for that?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2013-01-02 17:29:15 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:

Game is full of NPCs. I suggest requiring regular patrols in all held systems, and large fleets of NPCs (as well as small, well-skilled NPC guerilla teams) regularly probing and attacking ships. No, not Incursion type things (do nullbears even do Incursions anymore???), but honest-to-god hit-and-run by large NPC forces with comparable skills/tactics to players to hit regularly trying to expand their OWN sphere of influence.

Want a "better", more profitable null sec? Do that.

But then, since null is empty, what does it matter, yeah? Blink

lmfao concord please fight my battles for me
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2013-01-02 17:30:07 UTC
i cant wait for all the TEST ARE DESTROYING EVE threads we'll start to see in 2014

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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#79 - 2013-01-02 17:33:20 UTC
I am locking this for rumor mongering, trolling, and ranting.

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