EVE General Discussion

You CAN do it.

That's your guy's problem. Small groups that understand they can, and how to play, already are doing it.
The only thing stopping you, is YOU.

Diplomacy doesn't depend on numbers, but the ability to contribute and work together.
If you bing nothing to the table, then you should expect nothing in return.
Null sec is not CCP run, it's entirely player run. You guys that think CCP should put in mechanics that prevent players from working together, aside from being down right foolish, are asking that CCP not let null be what the intend it to be. Entirely player run.

Boring mechanics need fixing so that they aren't considered boring by everyone. Shooting a structure mindlessly is universally boring. Not everyone finds the larger meta game and the player driven part of null "boring"; which is all "blobing" really entails. Large scale player coordination, that is all "blobing" is, that is all "the sea of blue" is.


Not every null alliance is all, **** you, to the little guy.
You may need to start out renting, and using diplomacy to get ahead until you've grown and devloped into something that can actually use force to get what you want.

BUILD A BETTER CORP.
Null is not here for your friends and familly "guild". It's here for those people that want to take part in actual emprie building; that takes LOT OF PEOPLE.

Null is designed and intended to be developed by large numbers of players, not small groups of people here to "just pvp". Go to low or WH space if that's all you want.

Come to null if you want to be a part of a player run empire.
Leaen to use diplomacy if you want your corp to be a part of an emprie.


GTFO if you can't understand this.

Easy, the 100 man group is elite pvping from Stain NPC null. And they never forgive.

Or some other NPC null, or lowsec, you know how it works.

I hated that rope and now hate you for reminding me of it. i'm coming to VFK in a Rifer with 1 gun and some fireworks to teach you a lesson goonboy. Just D-scan for a ship named "NerdRage" and you'll find me.

NPCs, bad at camping gates.

Still missing the point are we? Everything you say either conflicts with the real state of the game or conflicts with the will of many of the small groups. The first conflict is that if it was really true that everyone "COULD do it" then we would not have this whole argument in the first place. Again, either there is something very wrong with the current state of affairs or a majority of the small group players are plain stupid.

Second conflict is that diplomacy still equals licking it up to the big groups and there are many out there who have no interest in doing so and this keeps getting ignored by the null-sec spokesmen despite repeating countless of times. This could pretty much be translated to you guys saying: our way or the highway - which is pretty much the core of the problem at hand - you are simply not willing of letting go.
Besides, diplomacy being the only means for getting a foothold in null is hardly what I would call an ideal environment in this sandbox game.

Also, please do remind me when the last time a major alliance was ever constantly harassed by small groups to the point that it started affecting their entire economy and sov stability? You come with suggestions that small scale players are able to harass already but you do not mention anything about their effects, frequency/infrequency of occurrence or from how many.

Actually, come with some rough estimated numbers on guerilla attacks/small scale, non-PoS attacks made by really small groups on the biggest alliances this last month alone, and it's effects as a whole. Hard, cold facts please.

And once again (unless you are purposefully set on ignore-mode, which some seem to be on), it is not the purpose to have a single 10-man group wreaking havoc on a 1000 man alliance in their space. The damage from a 10-man group should be small by itself. However constant, successful attacks from many small groups should start to hurt over time if appropriate actions are not taken.

Thus there needs to be a change made so that said small groups have a fair shot at doing exactly this.

You know, by the way, it is kinda funny in a way - all the big EVE headlines always tend to be about either massive battles or some back-stab infiltration scheme which rewrites the whole sov map, yet I don't recall ever reading a single story about the persistence of small corporations who by themselves manages to be such a thorn in the side for a large alliance that the latter ends up weakening so much that it finally gets overtaken by others - and get a small piece of the pie.

the issue with blobs is not that they overpower smaller groups.

it's that there is nowhere that smaller groups can go to avoid them. well there is one but blobs see pvp is happening there and then move in.

the way space is setup is the issue 0.0 needs to be bigger and contain more NPC areas.

issue fixed.

Confirming that "strenght in number" was just a lie.

Paging Malcanis and his LAW to this thread.

There is something very wrong with the "current state of affairs". The problem with today's state of affairs lies squarely at the hands of the dominion sov system, where you have to attack a system for a week straight to even have a chance of capturing it, and then the defender just has to pack it full with bodies and rep it up once. Then the attacker has to go back to attacking for a full week, only for the defender to defend the system once and reset all progress yet again. And, of course, all of this has to be initiated using a system which tells everyone and the world "in 8 hours, this system will be attacked", unless you clear the SBUs first.

This waterfall style of conquest sucks dicks, and means that you have to really commit to attacking someone's space to actually take it, and is probably the single most limiting factor in keeping nullsec sov fights down.


So push CCP into fixing the sov system, then, so smaller groups can actually harass bigger groups for a small piece of the pie, and take the systems by force.


Only small and inexperienced corps/alliances would ever have an issue with keeping their economy stable in nullsec because of guerilla attacks these days. The extent of guerilla attacks these days are mostly limited to the individual pilot's wallets, and that's easily fixable by them also doing what most people are doing, i.e. making money in hisec instead of nullsec.


Yes, there does. So work on forcing CCP to fixing both the sov system to allow smaller groups to more easily harass already established nullsec alliances on a sov level and nip the odd system they can't defend, and make nullsec the preferred place to make money instead of hisec, and smaller groups can actually make an impact on nullsec linemember income.

Today's sov system means it's overly easy to defend tons of space, this needs to be fixed. Today's economic viability balance between nullsec and hisec are seriously skewed in favor of hisec, this needs to be fixed.


That's because the current sov system means you either go all in on attacking another alliance's space, or you get the **** out, there's no in between.

Or, of course, there's the whole deal with the alliance you attack being so rotten that the only reason they only hold the space they hold is because everyone expects taking the space they do hold to be such a cockstab that most don't bother, because of the sov system. Once they finally do attack, the alliance holding the space does actually just fold together like a ****** deck of cards.

The only thing CCP can do about that, however, is to make sure the sov system isn't such a cockstab that most go "eh, it'll be so much effort we can't possibly do it". I suggest nagging CCP until they fix this problem.

Dangit Zim, you swoop in and cover all the points I've been trying to make (and more) and do it far better than I can.