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CCP, why allow one alliance so much influence?

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#21 - 2013-01-02 14:45:29 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
The only influence I am currently seeing is that apparently they are capable of generating hysteria in you.
Not empty quoting.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#22 - 2013-01-02 14:45:53 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:
CCP doesn't allow it, we all do. Or rather, Goons take their EVE much more seriously than most other players to a point where 500 poopsocking neckbeards will make for victories on the battlefield. Cultural victory at it's finest tbh.


this mentality amuses me.
"they do something we can't, must throw an insult in here because..."

actually, why do you do that? does it make you feel better about yourself? is it a way to vent jealousy? honestly, it baffles me.


That's a lot of words to say "umad" so props for that. And no, as much as you'd hope me to be, I'm not mad or care at all, I'm simply replying to the OP explaining that it's not CCP that makes it happen it's us the players. Me, you and everyone else. People who want something more than others will probably get it. If I wanted it I'd probably do something about it but as I don't that means I'm not "mad", no.

The last time I lived in 0.0 (and for a short stint only) was in 2009, I simply can't deal with morons, clowns, retards and jokers and as being in a large corp/alliance by definition means you'll run into those quite a lot I choose to pass on that. As such I'm not affected by anything that happens in 0.0, or anywhere else really.

But you see, having all those various types together in one place makes it much more convenient to ridicule them. Smile

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Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#23 - 2013-01-02 14:48:19 UTC
Sure, for a while :) But then the anger takes over and I start explaining to said morons, in detail, that they are indeed morons. This generally doesn't sit well with the CEO.
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-01-02 14:56:16 UTC
allow us to have more influence, thanks in advance

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-01-02 14:57:25 UTC
Catharian Sabezan wrote:
...not to mention hi sec players who have deserving of more attention than GS deserves.



So... what you're saying is, you're sad that they're getting all the attention that you're missing out on, so you posted a thread to try to get some?

Do you realise that by posting another thread about gewns, you're giving them more attention?

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Catharian Sabezan
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-01-02 15:06:49 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Catharian Sabezan wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
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dear ccp,

i am biased against goons, do something.

yours tearfully, some scrub on the forum.



Au contraire, I am merely a concerned Eve citizen who sees that dangerous misbalance of power in this game can have a detrimental experience on everyone's game experience.

As you can see by GS's declining player base, esp. this year, and now the death knell is sounding , with the decline of the Something awful forums from which they recruit, you can easily see GS is in decline.

I am merely pointing out to CCP that they can finally stop bending backwards everytime the Goons scream about something. This is good thing for the game. Whats wrong with that?


and what was the last thing ccp did to "bend over backwards" for goons?
if you can give me a proper answer to that, i'll give you a pack of tissues to dry your eyes with.

i fail to see how there's a misbalance of power anywhere either, to be blunt. at least, not one caused by anything other than the players.



Its strange that 90% of the tech moons in this game are controlled by Goons or their pets. Sorry that is not balanced, when multiple people and alliances have called for redistribution and CCP does nothing?

Let me also give you multiple instances where CCP bent over backwards, due to the demands from Goons to nerf hi sec.
1. Removal of lvl 5 missions from highsec
2. Removal of alot of minerals from missions
3. Huge tax increase on npc corps to 11% due to whining from GS again.
4. Believe it or not, members in GS were the most influential in getting this current NPC AI disaster that we currently have.

There you go, multiple instances where CCP bent over backwards to satisfy GS. Granted you are not the biggest allliance anymore, but you were a very vocal crowd and vocal crowds often get their way if they scream loud enough.
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
#27 - 2013-01-02 15:10:43 UTC
this thread will soon turn into nerf high sec

/nothing to do here
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-01-02 15:11:31 UTC
Catharian Sabezan wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Catharian Sabezan wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
translation

Quote:
dear ccp,

i am biased against goons, do something.

yours tearfully, some scrub on the forum.



Au contraire, I am merely a concerned Eve citizen who sees that dangerous misbalance of power in this game can have a detrimental experience on everyone's game experience.

As you can see by GS's declining player base, esp. this year, and now the death knell is sounding , with the decline of the Something awful forums from which they recruit, you can easily see GS is in decline.

I am merely pointing out to CCP that they can finally stop bending backwards everytime the Goons scream about something. This is good thing for the game. Whats wrong with that?


and what was the last thing ccp did to "bend over backwards" for goons?
if you can give me a proper answer to that, i'll give you a pack of tissues to dry your eyes with.

i fail to see how there's a misbalance of power anywhere either, to be blunt. at least, not one caused by anything other than the players.



Its strange that 90% of the tech moons in this game are controlled by Goons or their pets. Sorry that is not balanced, when multiple people and alliances have called for redistribution and CCP does nothing?

Let me also give you multiple instances where CCP bent over backwards, due to the demands from Goons to nerf hi sec.
1. Removal of lvl 5 missions from highsec
2. Removal of alot of minerals from missions
3. Huge tax increase on npc corps to 11% due to whining from GS again.
4. Believe it or not, members in GS were the most influential in getting this current NPC AI disaster that we currently have.

There you go, multiple instances where CCP bent over backwards to satisfy GS. Granted you are not the biggest allliance anymore, but you were a very vocal crowd and vocal crowds often get their way if they scream loud enough.
so what you're saying is that we've had a positive influence on the game

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iskflakes
#29 - 2013-01-02 15:11:42 UTC
CCP have to support goonswarm because most CCP devs are former goons.

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Catharian Sabezan
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-01-02 15:13:17 UTC
Randolph Rothstein wrote:
this thread will soon turn into nerf high sec

/nothing to do here


probably, but that is reflective of the power they wield in this forum. Its just more proof of the validity of my statements.
Catharian Sabezan
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-01-02 15:15:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Catharian Sabezan
iskflakes wrote:
CCP have to support goonswarm because most CCP devs are former goons.


you may be right, but as there is some evidence that Goonswarm is or will be soon in decline, they need not give them the support them currently do.
Dave Stark
#32 - 2013-01-02 15:17:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Catharian Sabezan wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Catharian Sabezan wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
translation

Quote:
dear ccp,

i am biased against goons, do something.

yours tearfully, some scrub on the forum.



Au contraire, I am merely a concerned Eve citizen who sees that dangerous misbalance of power in this game can have a detrimental experience on everyone's game experience.

As you can see by GS's declining player base, esp. this year, and now the death knell is sounding , with the decline of the Something awful forums from which they recruit, you can easily see GS is in decline.

I am merely pointing out to CCP that they can finally stop bending backwards everytime the Goons scream about something. This is good thing for the game. Whats wrong with that?


and what was the last thing ccp did to "bend over backwards" for goons?
if you can give me a proper answer to that, i'll give you a pack of tissues to dry your eyes with.

i fail to see how there's a misbalance of power anywhere either, to be blunt. at least, not one caused by anything other than the players.



Its strange that 90% of the tech moons in this game are controlled by Goons or their pets. Sorry that is not balanced, when multiple people and alliances have called for redistribution and CCP does nothing?

Let me also give you multiple instances where CCP bent over backwards, due to the demands from Goons to nerf hi sec.
1. Removal of lvl 5 missions from highsec
2. Removal of alot of minerals from missions
3. Huge tax increase on npc corps to 11% due to whining from GS again.
4. Believe it or not, members in GS were the most influential in getting this current NPC AI disaster that we currently have.

There you go, multiple instances where CCP bent over backwards to satisfy GS. Granted you are not the biggest allliance anymore, but you were a very vocal crowd and vocal crowds often get their way if they scream loud enough.


nothing strange at all, if you want a monopoly on a resource you go and take it. this is eve, that's what you do. nothing strange about it.
those multiple people and alliances are, guess what... goons, the ones that own the tech moons, etc. could your point be any more counter productive?

1) as it should be. why should the most lucrative missions be in high sec? you want the reward, take the risk. besides, level 4 missions are still more than lucrative or people wouldn't run them as much as they do, or bot them as much as they do (if that en24 article can be believed)
in addition; most people in 0.0 have high sec alts for isk making so removing level 5s from high sec is going to hurt people in null sec alliances (like goons) more than it'll ever help them.

2) i fail to see how this helps goons in any way, they don't have a monopoly on minerals. i fail to see how this is even a point.

3) and how did 11% npc corp tax benefit goons? oh wait, it doesn't. it doesn't affect them one way or another.

4) no, i don't believe it based on how flimsy your other arguments have been. regardless; again, how does this benefit the goons? if anything it removes a source of easy isk they could have been exploiting. hence if anything, this is ccp NOT bending over backwards for goons.

were you, perchance, dropped on your head as an infant?
Catharian Sabezan
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-01-02 15:39:07 UTC
Dave stark wrote:


nothing strange at all, if you want a monopoly on a resource you go and take it. this is eve, that's what you do. nothing strange about it.
those multiple people and alliances are, guess what... goons, the ones that own the tech moons, etc. could your point be any more counter productive?

1) as it should be. why should the most lucrative missions be in high sec? you want the reward, take the risk. besides, level 4 missions are still more than lucrative or people wouldn't run them as much as they do, or bot them as much as they do (if that en24 article can be believed)
in addition; most people in 0.0 have high sec alts for isk making so removing level 5s from high sec is going to hurt people in null sec alliances (like goons) more than it'll ever help them.

2) i fail to see how this helps goons in any way, they don't have a monopoly on minerals. i fail to see how this is even a point.

3) and how did 11% npc corp tax benefit goons? oh wait, it doesn't. it doesn't affect them one way or another.

4) no, i don't believe it based on how flimsy your other arguments have been. regardless; again, how does this benefit the goons? if anything it removes a source of easy isk they could have been exploiting. hence if anything, this is ccp NOT bending over backwards for goons.

were you, perchance, dropped on your head as an infant?


here we go, point by point.

1. Thanks for agreeing with me, that the goons have benefitted tremendously from lvl 5's being moved out of highsec.

2. And hulkageddon/goongeddon doesnt raise mineral prices? This in addition to the mission loot nerf has raised mineral prices for everyone, except in goon space, where they mine in peace.

3. the 11% tax doesnt directly help GS financially, but it satisfies alot of the demands by Goons to do so, in order to try to force people out of high sec where they can get some easy kills. Frankly if you want more kills, stop blueing everyone and their grandmother, and voila.........more kills.

4. This does not help the goons either, but thats not the point of my post. This is something that your members vociferously argued for, and you all are now shocked? that it wasnt very helpful. well guess what; careful what you wish for, you just may get it.
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2013-01-02 15:44:27 UTC
Catharian Sabezan wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


nothing strange at all, if you want a monopoly on a resource you go and take it. this is eve, that's what you do. nothing strange about it.
those multiple people and alliances are, guess what... goons, the ones that own the tech moons, etc. could your point be any more counter productive?

1) as it should be. why should the most lucrative missions be in high sec? you want the reward, take the risk. besides, level 4 missions are still more than lucrative or people wouldn't run them as much as they do, or bot them as much as they do (if that en24 article can be believed)
in addition; most people in 0.0 have high sec alts for isk making so removing level 5s from high sec is going to hurt people in null sec alliances (like goons) more than it'll ever help them.

2) i fail to see how this helps goons in any way, they don't have a monopoly on minerals. i fail to see how this is even a point.

3) and how did 11% npc corp tax benefit goons? oh wait, it doesn't. it doesn't affect them one way or another.

4) no, i don't believe it based on how flimsy your other arguments have been. regardless; again, how does this benefit the goons? if anything it removes a source of easy isk they could have been exploiting. hence if anything, this is ccp NOT bending over backwards for goons.

were you, perchance, dropped on your head as an infant?


here we go, point by point.

1. Thanks for agreeing with me, that the goons have benefitted tremendously from lvl 5's being moved out of highsec.

2. And hulkageddon/goongeddon doesnt raise mineral prices? This in addition to the mission loot nerf has raised mineral prices for everyone, except in goon space, where they mine in peace.

3. the 11% tax doesnt directly help GS financially, but it satisfies alot of the demands by Goons to do so, in order to try to force people out of high sec where they can get some easy kills. Frankly if you want more kills, stop blueing everyone and their grandmother, and voila.........more kills.

4. This does not help the goons either, but thats not the point of my post. This is something that your members vociferously argued for, and you all are now shocked? that it wasnt very helpful. well guess what; careful what you wish for, you just may get it.


1. we dont have missions in sov null

2. we don't mine

3. the npc corp tax raise was to get people out of the tax dodging non-wardeccable starter corps, not out of highsec

4. the new ai owns~

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#35 - 2013-01-02 15:45:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Catharian Sabezan wrote:
Its strange that 90% of the tech moons in this game are controlled by Goons or their pets. Sorry that is not balanced, when multiple people and alliances have called for redistribution and CCP does nothing?
Why is this strange? They have the space those moons are in, I would find it odd if they took space that didn't have them tbh.

Catharian Sabezan wrote:
Let me also give you multiple instances where CCP bent over backwards, due to the demands from Goons to nerf hi sec.
1. Removal of lvl 5 missions from highsec
2. Removal of alot of minerals from missions
3. Huge tax increase on npc corps to 11% due to whining from GS again.
4. Believe it or not, members in GS were the most influential in getting this current NPC AI disaster that we currently have.

There you go, multiple instances where CCP bent over backwards to satisfy GS. Granted you are not the biggest allliance anymore, but you were a very vocal crowd and vocal crowds often get their way if they scream loud enough.
None of anything there, is even remotely related to CCP bending over backwards for Goons. Those changes don't even help goons tbh.

Now if you could actually point to a factual change that shows CCP bending over backwards, I'm sure we'll be all ears.

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Elena Melkan
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2013-01-02 15:47:12 UTC
Catharian Sabezan wrote:
3. the 11% tax doesnt directly help GS financially, but it satisfies alot of the demands by Goons to do so, in order to try to force people out of high sec where they can get some easy kills. Frankly if you want more kills, stop blueing everyone and their grandmother, and voila.........more kills.

So you really believe in that there's no targets to kill in null sec? And that's why they come to highsec to kill people?

Ok. Good luck to you, mister.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#37 - 2013-01-02 15:50:55 UTC

Only thing I see is a graph hat goes up & down. Up & down. Up & down then after that up & down after which, looking at the data provided it probably goes up again!

So?
Stone Roses
SM Industries
#38 - 2013-01-02 15:51:29 UTC
Catharian Sabezan wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
translation

Quote:
dear ccp,

i am biased against goons, do something.

yours tearfully, some scrub on the forum.



Au contraire, I am merely a concerned Eve citizen who sees that dangerous misbalance of power in this game can have a detrimental experience on everyone's game experience.

As you can see by GS's declining player base, esp. this year, and now the death knell is sounding , with the decline of the Something awful forums from which they recruit, you can easily see GS is in decline.

I am merely pointing out to CCP that they can finally stop bending backwards everytime the Goons scream about something. This is good thing for the game. Whats wrong with that?


I guess even Goons grow up and start acting like mature adults eventually.
Alara IonStorm
#39 - 2013-01-02 15:55:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Know what I love about EVE. This isn't just one nut, I have been seeing threads for years about how Goons secretly run EVE, pull the strings behind everything and that it goes all the way to CCP. Is it just me or would this be the lamest Illuminati in the history of forever.

If there really was a secret Goon Conspiracy that has lasted years with the goal to eventually someday conquer all of a video game then know what... At this point they would just ****in deserve to have it, end of story.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-01-02 15:55:43 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
CCP have to support goonswarm because most CCP devs are former goons.


yeah DJ and Stoffer constitute "most CCP devs"

tell us another one guy

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