Ships & Modules

Having done a few dozen L4 missions in my CNR there's no doubt in my mind that it is a tried-and-true beast when it comes to taking out NPC swarms. However, I noticed that with my skills my missiles had a max range well over 100km, a range that Rat weaponry is all but useless at yet is almost never seen. Instead the majority of missions would have you warp in right smack in the middle of a group or bunch of groups forcing you to react quickly to auto-aggro and pick/choose the closest/deadliest threat.

Now I'm not saying that's a bad way to run missions, but personally if I have weaponry that can function well beyond the range of my opponents' then I'd like to get as much distance between myself and them as possible. Since the CNR (or any battleship for that matter) won't win any races the Large Micro Jump Drive really shines through. For the unfamiliar the MJD will, after a 12 second charge-time (shrinkable to 6 seconds with skill points), instantly teleport your battleship 100 km in the direction that it's facing. This is subject to warp scramblers but I have yet to encounter a rat that scrambles in the first 12 seconds of your arrival into the deadzone.

Anyways the meat and potatoes of the fit is the same as your standard CNR running L4 missions but with a Signal Amplifier in the low to close the gap between your max targeting range and your missiles flight range. Since you will be out of the range of your prey's retaliatory strikes most of the time I have reduced tanking modules to a lone booster and an amplifier for it, leaving the other four mid slots to be filled by target painters and the MJD.

I'm aware that if scrambled you're pretty much screwed, but if you properly orient your ship as soon as you drop into the pocket and micro-jump away the enemy shouldn't be able to scramble you fast enough. Anyways it's not a perfect build, just a fun little idea I had for a new piece of equipment. Constructive criticism is requested and I will do my best to answer any questions in a timely manner.

Primarily because my torpedo skills are garbage compared to my cruise missile skills, but also because I love the idea of hitting rats from 100+km away while most/all return fire misses me completely.

I play pretty casually/leisurely so the delayed damage and few thousand ISK in lost volleys were never really an issue for me. That said, all weapons have their downfalls but that doesn't mean the Raven or Caldari missile boats in general are poor choices for missioners. However, due to my sole focus on launchers I will admit that I was unaware turrets could even go that far. I'll be sure to look into it and, skill training aside, give an MJD gunboat a try for a change of pace.

As for being accosted by ECMs and dampeners the whole point of the build is to stay out of range of pretty much anything the rats can throw at you, including Ewar.

My mistake on the skill reduction, thank you very much for the correction. And I still have the Booster on there, though no hardeners. Would you suggest removing a painter or two for additions to the tank "just in case"?

I've been 'scrambled' with my domi by a few rats at the same time, i think it was in a worlds collide, but i was able to use the MJD. My guess is that the rats only disrupt you and the message that alerts you is wrong. (it says scramble, hence the quotes)

I do know that MJD can only be stoped by a true scrambler (+2) and i assume by the infinite focused point of HICs. Not by bubbles nor disruptors, no mather how many there are.

Cruises are terrible for missions. The only way to really measure the effectiveness of a mission running ship is its applied damage, and a cruise CNR puts out half what other ships in its class can, specifically BECAUSE you're more or less forced to use the longest range weapons out there. You pay for that range with damage, and sitting at 100km is always going to be slower than getting close with a higher damage weapon system.

And my correction was still incorrect... its 9 seconds, not 8, oops . its a 5% reduction per level, 25% total, 25% of 12 is 3, not 4, 12-3 =9

I can't comment on your specific case, as I don't fly Ravens or any missile boat aside from a drake (I was thinking about getting a navy raven or a navy scorp).
I do what you do with other ships, Arty Mach, tachmare, Warden sentry rattlesnake/Dominix with drone link augmentors.

However, you only need to last long enough to kill the tackle, in this case its not a sustainable tank you need, but a buffer tank.
I think a hardener or LSE would be worth more, and just in case for guristas, you may want an ECCM so you can still target the scramming frig.

However, so far, I haven't encountered a case where I need it... I only take the precaution because I generally use expensive hulls, and I want buffer anyway as protection against gank (of course, its not absolute protection)





I'm going to have to test this with my massively overtanked rattler.... if this module is not stopped by the rats.... then it will quickly find its way onto my fits as an essential component, worth more than a DCII

You struggle to get 1000 dps out of a cruise CNR even with faction mods and perfect skills, and that's including drones. If they're working "just fine" for you then your definition of "just fine" that needs work. For comparison a machariel gets 1400 dps with a similar fit using ACs, a nightmare gets 1300 with pulses, and a vindicator or navy dominix get 1400-1500. That is a very significant amount of damage you forfeit for the added range given by cruise missiles, before even going into lost volleys and flight time.

You're comparing Cruise to Pulse Lasers, ACs and Blasters?

How much DPS does that Vindi do at 80Km?

Given that literally the whole point of my post was to show that you trade off a significant amount of damage to gain the range needed to do sniping, and that this isn't worth it since it ends up meaning longer completion times, yes, I am comparing cruises to ACs and pulses (Not sure where you got blasters from, blaster domi/vindi is in the 1800-2000 dps range, not the 1400-1500 of rails)

As for resists: Pick your agents properly and it's almost never an issue.