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You CANT Nerf HighSec!

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1901 - 2013-01-02 08:26:26 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
Tesal wrote:
The HBC and CFC don't need, nor should they get, more power than they already have.

By supporting the status quo you are supporting the lifestyle of large coalitions like the HBC and CFC. To that, I say thanks.


Yes, in fact diminishing returns should be put both in hi sec to prevent "newbies" making 3500 maelstrom at a time but also in null sec to prevent alliances from taking more than say 5% of the whole space.


  1. Goonswarm Federation: 5%
  2. Fidelas Constans: 5%
  3. Get Off My Lawn: 5%
  4. SpaceMonkey's Alliance: 5%
  5. RAZOR Alliance: 5%
  6. Tactical Narcotics Team: 5%
  7. Circle-Of-Two: 5%
  8. Fatal Ascension: 5%
  9. Executive Outcomes: 5%
  10. Gentleman's Agreement: 5%
  11. Legion of xXDEATHXx: 5%
  12. CONVICTED: 5%
  13. TEST Alliance Please Ignore: 5%
  14. Li3 Federation: 5%
  15. WALLTREIPERS ALLIANCE: 5%
  16. Zombie Ninja Space Bears: 5%
  17. Raiden.: 5%
  18. Tribal Band: 5%
  19. Mistakes Were Made.: 5%
  20. The Initiative.: 5%
  21. SOLAR FLEET: A lot %

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1902 - 2013-01-02 08:27:51 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Yes, in fact diminishing returns should be put both in hi sec to prevent "newbies" making 3500 maelstrom at a time but also in null sec to prevent alliances from taking more than say 5% of the whole space.

So why do you draw the line there?

When 20,000 players work together, this is like a newbie making 3500 maelstroms

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1903 - 2013-01-02 08:27:54 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:

Making it possible (and advantageous from both an alliance and industrialist standpoint) to mine and build ships used by nullsec actually in nullsec would end the stigma against industrial corps in 0.0, for one. As it stands they're tolerated at best, abused at worst.


Inconvenience or even downright saying "no" to somebody asking to join as industrial would be a sensible reaction.

"Stigma" towards industrialists who would have wanted to risk and move in null, instead, is exactly part of what I call ~ideology~ and tells much more about a sh!t mentality and attitude than about deficiencies in the game and is a big part of the null sec "problem".

It's also worrysome when reading a portion of the GS posts, it seems to read BoB players sentences.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1904 - 2013-01-02 08:28:34 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
Tesal wrote:
The HBC and CFC don't need, nor should they get, more power than they already have.

By supporting the status quo you are supporting the lifestyle of large coalitions like the HBC and CFC. To that, I say thanks.


Yes, in fact diminishing returns should be put both in hi sec to prevent "newbies" making 3500 maelstrom at a time but also in null sec to prevent alliances from taking more than say 5% of the whole space.

they have these things called coalitions now perhaps you've heard of them
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1905 - 2013-01-02 08:29:49 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
Tesal wrote:
The HBC and CFC don't need, nor should they get, more power than they already have.

By supporting the status quo you are supporting the lifestyle of large coalitions like the HBC and CFC. To that, I say thanks.


Yes, in fact diminishing returns should be put both in hi sec to prevent "newbies" making 3500 maelstrom at a time but also in null sec to prevent alliances from taking more than say 5% of the whole space.


Thanks for reading the thread
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1906 - 2013-01-02 08:30:41 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Yes, in fact diminishing returns should be put both in hi sec to prevent "newbies" making 3500 maelstrom at a time but also in null sec to prevent alliances from taking more than say 5% of the whole space.

So why do you draw the line there?

When 20,000 players work together, this is like a newbie making 3500 maelstroms


There are other MMOs that allow 3-4 k players on their shards, guess why they have mechanics in place to avoid 500-600 players being in the same organization? Because unlike RL, there's no 6 billion other guys to adsorb and (even passively) survive those 500-600 but just 3-4 k and those 500-600 would turn that shard into crap.

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Frying Doom
#1907 - 2013-01-02 08:31:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:

Making it possible (and advantageous from both an alliance and industrialist standpoint) to mine and build ships used by nullsec actually in nullsec would end the stigma against industrial corps in 0.0, for one. As it stands they're tolerated at best, abused at worst.


Inconvenience or even downright saying "no" to somebody asking to join as industrial would be a sensible reaction.

"Stigma" towards industrialists who would have wanted to risk and move in null, instead, is exactly part of what I call ~ideology~ and tells much more about a sh!t mentality and attitude than about deficiencies in the game and is a big part of the null sec "problem".

It's also worrysome when reading a portion of the GS posts, it seems to read BoB players sentences.

Actually Alliances like GS will actually suffer due to there reputations in getting enough hard core Indy types, the smaller less known alliances will probably get more as the players will be less worried about getting out there only to be blown up by GS.

GS reputation will have preceded it, except apparently by people wanting a third party for titans.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1908 - 2013-01-02 08:31:40 UTC
Guys, I have a brilliant idea.
Let's make people pay fees to keep their space!

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1909 - 2013-01-02 08:32:18 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
"Stigma" towards industrialists who would have wanted to risk and move in null, instead, is exactly part of what I call ~ideology~ and tells much more about a sh!t mentality and attitude than about deficiencies in the game and is a big part of the null sec "problem".

You see, when I was a newbie, and very :shobon: I thought, wow, if I was to make draeks here, then I can sell them and make money and be even more happy when boat welps us instead of shooting a structure.

Wiser and more veteran goons informed that that, alas, it would be better for me to make an alt and do it in highsec.
To which I said: "Oh. Do we make anything there?"
"Supercapitals. We proliferate supercapitals like no body's business and make caps when we're not cranking out coffins that can't dock."

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1910 - 2013-01-02 08:33:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Frying Doom wrote:
Actually Alliances like GS will actually suffer due to there reputations in getting enough hard core Indy types, the smaller less known alliances will probably get more as the players will be less worried about getting out there only to be blown up by GS.

GS reputation will have preceded it, except apparently by people wanting a third party for titans.

You see, if you're an alliance, you need to talk to a diplomat.

Not the Offical Goonswarm Industrial Director. Also, we have Merchi Industrial, which brought us and you, DaBigRedBoat.

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Frying Doom
#1911 - 2013-01-02 08:33:54 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Guys, I have a brilliant idea.
Let's make people pay fees to keep their space!

Silly idea with the current inflation level by next year the fees would have to be hundreds of billions to mean anything.

Make them actually use the space to be able to keep it

(Yes your post was sarcasm mine wasn't)

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#1912 - 2013-01-02 08:36:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Actually Alliances like GS will actually suffer due to there reputations in getting enough hard core Indy types, the smaller less known alliances will probably get more as the players will be less worried about getting out there only to be blown up by GS.

GS reputation will have preceded it, except apparently by people wanting a third party for titans.

You see, if you're an alliance, you need to talk to a diplomat.

Not the Offical Goonswarm Industrial Director. Also, we have Merchi Industrial, which brought us and you, DaBigRedBoat.

Yes but it actually means that GS reputation will actually be a down side for them to get idustrialists in comparison to some of the others.

And people were worried about GS getting more powerful in comparison.

If it all went through this would make a golden age for Industrialists and smaller alliances.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1913 - 2013-01-02 08:36:48 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Garou Carew wrote:
I don’t really see the point of whining in the forums about the lack of facilities.


It works for the denizens of highsec & a lot quicker too. They only need to complain for 6 months to get the change they desire. We need to complain for years before the idea is considered.


They take 6 months because their ideas are stupid, yours take longer because your ideas are so partisan even CCP realizes they are.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1914 - 2013-01-02 08:37:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Frying Doom wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Actually Alliances like GS will actually suffer due to there reputations in getting enough hard core Indy types, the smaller less known alliances will probably get more as the players will be less worried about getting out there only to be blown up by GS.

GS reputation will have preceded it, except apparently by people wanting a third party for titans.

You see, if you're an alliance, you need to talk to a diplomat.

Not the Offical Goonswarm Industrial Director. Also, we have Merchi Industrial, which brought us and you, DaBigRedBoat.

Yes but it actually means that GS reputation will actually be a down side for them to get idustrialists in comparison to some of the others.

And people were worried about GS getting more powerful in comparison.

Maybe.

We have industrialists, just like we have people who fuel all the effortless, free towers and power-projecting jump bridges.

It's just that they're in highsec in an NPC corp (Or altcorp for those that need to do researching etc). You'd be surprised at the amount of stuff some of them can churn out. Thousands and thousands of T1 cruisers, for example.

I guess they could join the HBC (our blues) or maybe -A- (that doesn't forgive and you don't talk back to) or perhaps Intrepid Crossing (and sell badly fitted Ravens that we will shoot).

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EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1915 - 2013-01-02 08:40:00 UTC
you nullseccers are so entitled
Frying Doom
#1916 - 2013-01-02 08:40:14 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Actually Alliances like GS will actually suffer due to there reputations in getting enough hard core Indy types, the smaller less known alliances will probably get more as the players will be less worried about getting out there only to be blown up by GS.

GS reputation will have preceded it, except apparently by people wanting a third party for titans.

You see, if you're an alliance, you need to talk to a diplomat.

Not the Offical Goonswarm Industrial Director. Also, we have Merchi Industrial, which brought us and you, DaBigRedBoat.

Yes but it actually means that GS reputation will actually be a down side for them to get idustrialists in comparison to some of the others.

And people were worried about GS getting more powerful in comparison.

Maybe.

We have industrialists, just like we have people who fuel all the effortless, free towers and power-projecting jump bridges.

It's just that they're in highsec in an NPC corp (Or altcorp for those that need to do researching etc). You'd be surprised at the amount of stuff some of them can churn out. Thousands and thousands of T1 cruisers, for example.

Yes I am aware of the alt army at your disposal, but with a working industry in Null, hisec, lo-sec and wormholes INDY types will be in demand and everyone is going to want as many as they can get.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1917 - 2013-01-02 08:40:50 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Yes, in fact diminishing returns should be put both in hi sec to prevent "newbies" making 3500 maelstrom at a time but also in null sec to prevent alliances from taking more than say 5% of the whole space.

So why do you draw the line there?

When 20,000 players work together, this is like a newbie making 3500 maelstroms


There are other MMOs that allow 3-4 k players on their shards, guess why they have mechanics in place to avoid 500-600 players being in the same organization? Because unlike RL, there's no 6 billion other guys to adsorb and (even passively) survive those 500-600 but just 3-4 k and those 500-600 would turn that shard into crap.

EVE clearly has superior hardware, to allow 2000 pilots to all be shooting at one another in the same system !

All hail EVE server hardware and software, the way of the future !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1918 - 2013-01-02 08:42:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Frying Doom wrote:
Yes I am aware of the alt army at your disposal, but with a working industry in Null, hisec, lo-sec and wormholes INDY types will be in demand and everyone is going to want as many as they can get.

Yep, I can finally become the Drake builder I always wanted to be as a newbie. That said, predicting is pretty hard, since after all, people are complicated.

Ah, I feel so happy thinking about it, but then I remember - nah, EVE is unbalanced as all hell. Harsh and cold ~

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1919 - 2013-01-02 08:43:17 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
you nullseccers are so entitled

Can I be entitled... to you? <3

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Frying Doom
#1920 - 2013-01-02 08:44:20 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Garou Carew wrote:
I don’t really see the point of whining in the forums about the lack of facilities.


It works for the denizens of highsec & a lot quicker too. They only need to complain for 6 months to get the change they desire. We need to complain for years before the idea is considered.


They take 6 months because their ideas are stupid, yours take longer because your ideas are so partisan even CCP realizes they are.

Yes I confess i too am Partisan

Player owned and paid for over NPC freebies

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!