EVE General Discussion

They obviously did not do their research which every good organization does before making a business venture. I disagree they were not good or smart. For all we know they would be building supercaps and selling them to an -A- guy who claimed they were one of us.

This is a perfect example of player mitigated risk, they could have taken precautions like doing research but didn't so the risk was not mitigated and look what happened.

Our industrialists make sure to have their alts in NPC corps and use NPC stations to make full use of the facilities and protection offered by NPCS.

Our player-created protections aren't good enough, and the facilities are bad. And POSes we make and defend are even worse and expensive than the NPC stations we do not make and do not defend.

Maybe I missed it, but what are everyone's thoughts on industry in NPC null space and the stations there?

*popcorn*

Better than highsec and lowsec NPC stations and every time you dock in one it politely informs you that removing local/structure mails from null is a dumb idea.

I guess you just didn't read one of the many times it was pointed out how few factory slots player built outposts have. The best manufacturing outpost (Amarr) can provide services for 2 or 3 serious industry characters. Maybe 6 characters if they are "casual", and don't have the Adv Mass Production skill. Or how a single system, like Nonni, often has more factory and research slots than entire nullsec regions. Or how the issues with POS, from module abilities to permissions, keep them from being used to make up for the shortcomings of the poor outpost services.

I rest my case; you wonder why Null is stagnant and you complain about the lack of industry. They did the research and trusted to the integrity of a corporation that obviously doesn’t have any.

This is EVE. Anyone with 'integrity' is doomed to fail from the beginning.

Poorly. Highsec is still far better.

Even when we don't make personal attacks you act as though we're all out to get you personally. So it's more fun this way.

The problem is not from the lack of trust. The required amount of effort required by a null sec corp/alliance to do safe industry is trmendous compared to how much must be done in high. In high, your safety concern are to make sure you don't carry to much across the 2 bottleneck 0.5 system in a single freighter move. Everything else is freely given to you by the ever trusted Concord. This already make it so industry in null work at a arge disaventage compared to high.

To add over the security problem, the complete lack of prodution lines is also a killer. You can't make industry without production lines available and there is very few of those in null. It's been said many time already how many system in high sec can easyly support more industry than entire regions of null sec.

3rd, there is the suply problem. Industry to happen require mats. You just can't build ship/ammo/module out of thin air. The most required mineral for production is trit and while it is available, the availability is compeltely off compared to other minerals there so you are always bottlenecked by how much trit you can refine/haul in. Hauling that material is just as painfull as hauling product already made so they just said **** this **** and they purchase/build in high sec where all the problems are much more easyly ressolved and haul finished products.

Unless the situaton over these 3 problem change, industry in null will always be a joke.