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The Failboat Fit Challenge: Navy Exequror Edition

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Lasciel Anduriel
Lasciel Anduriel Corporation
#1 - 2013-01-01 18:51:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Lasciel Anduriel
Ok, so I'm a fairly new pilot that's gallente spec'd.

And I like the idea of faction cruisers. Pay a little more, get a slightly better ship. I really like the Vexor Navy Issue because as a newer character, you can quickly get a decent fitting that does good damage out of it.

So I've tried to do the same thing with a Navy Exequror... and failed miserably. Not only can I not find a useful niche for a newer character, I can't find any niche at all for this ship.

I've tried several fits, trying to figure out what that boat's niche is. I've tried blasters, I've tried rails and kiting. I spent a lot of time yesterday working out a kiting fit for it that would take advantage of its speed* and ability to fit 250mm railguns. For about a day, I honestly thought I had found a winner...

I then posted this fit to my alliance forum and... long story short, turns out there's a Thorax fit that does that better for 40 million less.

Frankly, I can't find anything that it does substantially better than a Thorax.

So my challenge to you all is to find a fit for the Exequror that fills a useful combat role substantially better than the Thorax.

"Substantially better" is subjective I know, but I promise that if I'm convinced that you've found a useful role for this ship, I'll pay you a 20 million isk prize, and you'll get to be the Failboat Fit Challenge: Navy Exequror Edition champion.

I'm going to say up front that I don't think a very long distance sniping cruiser is a useful combat role, so don't bother posting fits that make use of the 250mm guns claiming its a better sniping platform. I'm also not accepting anything that has to do with it being targeted more because people know it sucks or some other such nonsense. I'm also going to say that I very much doubt that I'm going to be paying out 20 million, not because I'm unwilling (small price to pay for an interesting and rare ship fitting) but because frankly I think the Exequror Navy Issue is a completely worthless ship that CCP should be ashamed of putting in the game.

Anyway, good luck!

* Yesterday I learned that its not really any faster than anything else, it just never gets fit with a heavy plate, so it seems faster... =\
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#2 - 2013-01-01 19:22:45 UTC
Prototype Gauss 250mm x 4

Medium Meta 4 Cap Booster 1 800 in with 6 in hold
Small meta 4 Cap booster 2 150 charges loaded, 12 in hold

T2 Energized adaptive
T2 DCU
3 Meta 4 armor repair

3 Ancillary current routers

Active tanks 1000 every 9 seconds for maybe 5 minutes?
Really bad dps.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Lasciel Anduriel
Lasciel Anduriel Corporation
#3 - 2013-01-01 19:33:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lasciel Anduriel
Ioci wrote:
Prototype Gauss 250mm x 4

Medium Meta 4 Cap Booster 1 800 in with 6 in hold
Small meta 4 Cap booster 2 150 charges loaded, 12 in hold

T2 Energized adaptive
T2 DCU
3 Meta 4 armor repair

3 Ancillary current routers

Active tanks 1000 every 9 seconds for maybe 5 minutes?
Really bad dps.



Doesn't look like that fit is even possible. I'm not seeing how you can fit those repairers with the 250 prototype gauss guns.

Thanks for trying though...

EDIT: looks like the rigs make it possible.

Okay,, problem with this is that

1. I don't think this is useful, heavy active tank with rails doesn't make sense to me.

2. Thorax does the same thing with slightly less range by swapping out the 250s for 200s and keeping the rest of the fit the same. DPS is compareable, much better tracking for the Thorax, and the extra mid slot can be used for a tracking computer with an optimal range script to mitigate the range difference down to just 4k anyway.

And of course the thorax fit is significantly cheaper.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-01 19:40:17 UTC
Lasciel Anduriel wrote:
the Exequror Navy Issue is a completely worthless ship that CCP should be ashamed of putting in the game.

/thread.

So are the Navy Osprey, Fleet Scythe and Navy Augoror that were introduced at the same time.

In fact, with the recent T1 cruiser buff they're probably less useful than the standard versions of their shared hulls.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Kery Nysell
#5 - 2013-01-01 20:05:35 UTC
Challenge accepted !!

Here's a wierd fit, Looter/Salvager if you don't have a Noctis ...

[Exequror Navy Issue, FailFit Challenge]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Armor Layering Membrane II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

10MN Afterburner II
Cargo Scanner II
Medium Capacitor Battery II

Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Salvager II

Medium Salvage Tackle I
Medium Salvage Tackle I
Medium Salvage Tackle I


Salvage Drone I x4


You never said you wanted a combat fit only ...

...

Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#6 - 2013-01-01 20:17:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Unezka Turigahl
Its a piece of junk with a camouflage paint job. It allows you to roleplay a space-hick.

Toilet Seat
40oz PBR
WWF Belt
Hunting Mag
Twinkie or Ho-ho

Gunrack
LayZboy
TV

Refrigerator
Washing Machine
Ice Box
Tire Swing

Rigs? Whats dem thangs for?

2x RC Monstertrucks (1 must be Gravedigger)
2x RC Nascar (1 must be Dale Earnhardt jr.)


If you enjoy this post, please contract me a Navy Exequror. TY.
M1k3y Koontz
Speaker for the Dead
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2013-01-01 21:03:41 UTC  |  Edited by: M1k3y Koontz
Salvage fit is probably the most practical one here... and why use that when a noctis costs as much and is more effective

Unezka Turigahl wrote:
Its a piece of junk with a camouflage paint job. It allows you to roleplay a space-hick.

Toilet Seat
40oz PBR
WWF Belt
Hunting Mag
Twinkie or Ho-ho

Gunrack
LayZboy
TV

Refrigerator
Washing Machine
Ice Box
Tire Swing

Rigs? Whats dem thangs for?

2x RC Monstertrucks (1 must be Gravedigger)
2x RC Nascar (1 must be Dale Earnhardt jr.)


Space-hick, lol'd +10 internetz to you good sir!

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.

Dimitryy
Silent Knights.
LinkNet
#8 - 2013-01-01 21:07:21 UTC
[Exequror Navy Issue, WishItWasGood]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Warrior II x4


This is what i could come up with at a pinch. It was a pretty decent nano fit, just over 2k a second, 19k ehp, 454 dps with null, 553 (without heat). Prior to the cruiser buff, it was actually a good fit, but after crusier buff, it just doesn't have the EHP of the other cruisers. It also has disadvantages solo, in that it doesn't have the anti-tackle capability of other nano cruisers like the rupture, stabber, and even thorax.

Final advice, this one isn't worth the money. If you want a good nano cruiser, look at the rax, rupture, or stabber.

Dimi




Kery Nysell
#9 - 2013-01-01 21:09:03 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Salvage fit is probably the most practical one here... and why use that when a noctis costs as much and is more effective


You might be like me a get your Navy Exeq at "half cost" by grinding Loyalty Points ...

But I'm not a good example, I'm a ship collector, I neeeeeed to get them all ... and then find something to do with them Roll

...

Lasciel Anduriel
Lasciel Anduriel Corporation
#10 - 2013-01-01 21:58:23 UTC
Kery Nysell wrote:
Challenge accepted !!

Here's a wierd fit, Looter/Salvager if you don't have a Noctis ...

[Exequror Navy Issue, FailFit Challenge]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Armor Layering Membrane II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

10MN Afterburner II
Cargo Scanner II
Medium Capacitor Battery II

Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Salvager II

Medium Salvage Tackle I
Medium Salvage Tackle I
Medium Salvage Tackle I


Salvage Drone I x4


You never said you wanted a combat fit only ...


I did though...

[quote]So my challenge to you all is to find a fit for the Exequror that fills a useful combat role substantially better than the Thorax.[\quote]

Interesting fit, and thank you for attempting something, but without actually porting this fit to pyfa I'm pretty sure the Thorax can do that better too. It has a bigger cargohold for one thing, and more turret points for salvagers, and more drone bandwidth for salvage drones.

And of course its cheaper...
Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-01-01 22:19:17 UTC
Lasciel Anduriel wrote:

1. I don't think this is useful, heavy active tank with rails doesn't make sense to me.

2. Thorax does the same thing with slightly less range by swapping out the 250s for 200s and keeping the rest of the fit the same. DPS is compareable, much better tracking for the Thorax, and the extra mid slot can be used for a tracking computer with an optimal range script to mitigate the range difference down to just 4k anyway.

And of course the thorax fit is significantly cheaper.


1: gallente boats are active tank because they're armor-centric. if you want to fly shieldfit avoid gallente/minmatar wherever possible. you can't passive an armor fit. the Oneiros and T1 version of the exhackweaksauce Naval Issue are both remote repair ships, but that's not a solo option.

2: Thorax is the attack boat. Big bang, crap defenses. If you get webbed and scrammed it'll pop like a zit. But for fast attack it's not bad. there's better, but it's not bad.
Kery Nysell
#12 - 2013-01-01 22:19:34 UTC
Whuups, missed that word didn't I ?

Yeah, the poor Exequror really has nothing going for it, and the Navy version didn't get the "tiericide" buff ...

Glorified paperweight ?

Looking pretty in the hangar ?

...

Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-01-01 22:22:29 UTC
Kery Nysell wrote:
Whuups, missed that word didn't I ?

Yeah, the poor Exequror really has nothing going for it, and the Navy version didn't get the "tiericide" buff ...

Glorified paperweight ?

Looking pretty in the hangar ?


It's now a training boat for logistics pilots. the naval should have been altered accordingly.
AstraPardus
Earthside Mixlabs
#14 - 2013-01-01 22:51:59 UTC
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
Its a piece of junk with a camouflage paint job. It allows you to roleplay a space-hick.

Toilet Seat
40oz PBR
WWF Belt
Hunting Mag
Twinkie or Ho-ho

Gunrack
LayZboy
TV

Refrigerator
Washing Machine
Ice Box
Tire Swing

Rigs? Whats dem thangs for?

2x RC Monstertrucks (1 must be Gravedigger)
2x RC Nascar (1 must be Dale Earnhardt jr.)



I would drop the Twinkie and fit a second PBR, for two-fisting action! WHHHHOOOOODAH!

I would also drop the Washing Machine for a Crecent Wrench. Why would you fit a WM on a redneck anything? Such a noob mistake, lololololol!

Finally, you would need 4 or 5 rig slots on a redneck ship, because Duck Tape and WD-40, 'nuff said. :P
Every time I post is Pardy time! :3
Kaylyis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-01-01 23:23:25 UTC
AstraPardus wrote:
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
Its a piece of junk with a camouflage paint job. It allows you to roleplay a space-hick.

Toilet Seat
40oz PBR
WWF Belt
Hunting Mag
Twinkie or Ho-ho

Gunrack
LayZboy
TV

Refrigerator
Washing Machine
Ice Box
Tire Swing

Rigs? Whats dem thangs for?

2x RC Monstertrucks (1 must be Gravedigger)
2x RC Nascar (1 must be Dale Earnhardt jr.)



I would drop the Twinkie and fit a second PBR, for two-fisting action! WHHHHOOOOODAH!

I would also drop the Washing Machine for a Crecent Wrench. Why would you fit a WM on a redneck anything? Such a noob mistake, lololololol!

Finally, you would need 4 or 5 rig slots on a redneck ship, because Duck Tape and WD-40, 'nuff said. :P


It really doesn't help that the ship looks like it was inspired by trailer park architecture and bus design.
Zakki Zateki
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-01-02 00:52:34 UTC
Before retribution, this ship was amazing to use. The thing people don't see in this ship is that it has speed and agility out the ass, look at it as a cruiser sized taranis. Speed out the ass, damage out the ass, but really thin. In the current patch, the thorax will do all of these things but with a slightly better tank and alot cheaper. so fly the thorax. But before the patch, ENI was awesome if you had the balls to fly it.
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#17 - 2013-01-02 02:33:54 UTC
AstraPardus wrote:


I would also drop the Washing Machine for a Crecent Wrench. Why would you fit a WM on a redneck anything? Such a noob mistake, lololololol!


Crecent Wrench is not a hislot, thats a lowslot. (I was trying to keep the hislots to big things rednecks keep out on their porch for all to see. Since hislots are visible.) Dual PBRs in the lows are certainly viable though. I just prefer the versatility of a PBR & Twinkie I 'spose.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#18 - 2013-01-02 05:49:20 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Lasciel Anduriel wrote:
the Exequror Navy Issue is a completely worthless ship that CCP should be ashamed of putting in the game.

/thread.

So are the Navy Osprey, Fleet Scythe and Navy Augoror that were introduced at the same time.

In fact, with the recent T1 cruiser buff they're probably less useful than the standard versions of their shared hulls.


This on a serious point of view.

They will need to be revamped like their civ variants. When? Dunno, whip out that crystal ball we got. Ask it.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#19 - 2013-01-02 06:07:00 UTC
I'm not sure why you are comparing this ship (before it's scheduled buff) to other cruisers that have already received their buff.

Wouldn't it simply be wiser to hang onto it until the Navy ships are done and then make your judgement?

Just sayin'.

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Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#20 - 2013-01-02 09:29:07 UTC
Navy Exequeror is much better than the Navy Osprey, which isn't saying much ofcourse.
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