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Scaramanga Erquilenne
#1 - 2013-01-01 09:05:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Scaramanga Erquilenne
So decided it was time to do some exploring fitting out a heron and scanned down a wormhole and in to the breach i went , Ended up in -2 space and it had some sleeper ships in to .I send my probes out and tyred to scan down some anomaly's but for some reason i could never get more than a 20% lock on these sites it semed to be harder than normal .Not sure if i require a higher skill level to be able to scan down anomaly's in this area of space?? after 1 hour trying and lots of cursing i gave up. scanning can be very frustrating some times even after watching tutorials about it , the interface drives me nuts some times.


So i headed for one of the checkpoints in space and 1 shot later i am in my pod ,What level of enemy are the sleepers ? are they like running l4 missions? I was thinking about going back in there in a thorax and trying to get my stuff back ? would it be suicide,I read that this kind of wormhole space should only be tackled in groups is that correct?.Can a new player do any scavenging in sleeper space? are is it best avoided until you have skills are numbers?


Thanks))
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Novakhiin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-01-01 09:25:41 UTC
Sleepers are alot deadlier then lvl 4 missions. Going back for your stuff in another frigate wont do you any good. You will loose that too... c1-c3 can be done in a bc. C4 and above you need friends.
Scaramanga Erquilenne
#3 - 2013-01-01 10:40:47 UTC
Novakhiin wrote:
Sleepers are alot deadlier then lvl 4 missions. Going back for your stuff in another frigate wont do you any good. You will loose that too... c1-c3 can be done in a bc. C4 and above you need friends.



Thanks for the info , I give up trying to postion these probes gives me nothing but eye strain and frustartion at the moment ,Camera movment and inerface seem far from being user friendly , Will try another time 
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Bloemkoolsaus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-01 10:46:22 UTC
I probe everyday, and have no problem with the camera interface or with position my probes.
Try pressing alt or shift and then move one of your probes, see what that does Smile
Scaramanga Erquilenne
#5 - 2013-01-01 10:54:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Scaramanga Erquilenne
Bloemkoolsaus wrote:
I probe everyday, and have no problem with the camera interface or with position my probes.
Try pressing alt or shift and then move one of your probes, see what that does Smile



Thanks for this it helps alot Smile the guide i watched had nothing in it about alt and shift to move all probes at the same time .Wish i knew this a few hours ago would have saved me some frustration ))
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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-01-01 10:57:04 UTC
Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:
Four months in to EVE and still enjoying it) Started building some stuff done some planetary interaction learnt a bit about the markets, industry, science, tech and laying the groundwork for future plans and cruising through some L2 missions .


So decided it was time to do some exploring fitting out a heron and scanned down a wormhole and in to the breach i went , Ended up in -2 space and it had some sleeper ships in to .I send my probes out and tyred to scan down some anomaly's but for some reason i could never get more than a 20% lock on these sites it semed to be harder than normal .Not sure if i require a higher skill level to be able to scan down anomaly's in this area of space?? after 1 hour trying and lots of cursing i gave up. scanning can be very frustrating some times even after watching tutorials about it , the interface drives me nuts some times.


So i headed for one of the checkpoints in space and 1 shot later i am in my pod ,What level of enemy are the sleepers ? are they like running l4 missions? I was thinking about going back in there in a thorax and trying to get my stuff back ? would it be suicide,I read that this kind of wormhole space should only be tackled in groups is that correct?.Can a new player do any scavenging in sleeper space? are is it best avoided until you have skills are numbers?


Thanks))


It was either:

A wormhole which is ALWAYS -1.0 and has sleepers

or

It was a null-sec connection WH which led to a -0.2 system and in that case you shot rats, not sleepers.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-01-01 10:58:57 UTC
Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:
Bloemkoolsaus wrote:
I probe everyday, and have no problem with the camera interface or with position my probes.
Try pressing alt or shift and then move one of your probes, see what that does Smile



Thanks for this it helps alot Smile the guide i watched had nothing in it about alt and shift to move all probes at the same time .Wish i knew this a few hours ago would have saved me some frustration ))


Likely cause the guide was out of date.

The alt and shift functions were added much later then the actual probing.

So likely the guide you watch was before CCP added the alt/shift function to scanning.

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Scaramanga Erquilenne
#8 - 2013-01-01 11:04:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Scaramanga Erquilenne
Thanks that sounds about right, But it was sleepers must have been -1 space. Just one point i am not clear on can i scan and salvage stuff in that space and avoid fighting them ? are do i need a higher skill set ? is it harder to scan anomalys down in sleeper space etc?
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witchking42
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-01-01 11:54:27 UTC
Have a look at Jonny Pew's Youtube video's, but a good one to start with is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDp10xBrRLI

wk42
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-01-01 12:08:39 UTC
Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:
Thanks that sounds about right, But it was sleepers must have been -1 space. Just one point i am not clear on can i scan and salvage stuff in that space and avoid fighting them ? are do i need a higher skill set ? is it harder to scan anomalys down in sleeper space etc?


If there are sleepers, you will have to:

1.) Fight them
2.) Run away before they shoot you.

And yes. Wormholes need a bit of skills to be able to solo them.

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Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-01-01 13:13:18 UTC
Just to clarify only 1-3s are easily solo'd I've heard of 4s being solo'd but that's mostly rumor if you have more questions about whs shoot me a mail. I live in one so can probably answer it.

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-01-01 16:05:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
the only sleepers i can solo in my gila in a C4 hole are the frigate/cruiser spawns on Ladar & Grav Sites.
The other 3 all require friends .. especially a freind in a Logistic's ship.

Class 3 sleepers and below are soloable entirely, other players not so much.





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scanning skills
4/3/3/3 is the minimum to get, and this still leaves lots of room for failed scans
5/4/4/4 makes the more difficult sites a little easier to find

T1/T2 scanning frigate, or Strategic Cruiser with probe bonus subsystem are the best 3 ships to use for scanning
Rigs are must have (this means you cant really use the T3 for anything else)

Gila, Ishtar (other HACS may work well too, but i have no experience with them) and most Command Ships can all be used as an all-in-one probing/clearing platform, A regular battlecruiser will be a 1 job platform --> Combat, you will then need another ship to salvage/loot etc.

You have 2 routes for ship options (if you want to deal with every site you find)
a) Gila/Ishtar + Venture
b) Frigate + BC + Noctis + Barge

going the a) route means scanning will take a little longer, but every site you find can be fully exploited, with a minimum ship outlay
going the b) route means scanning will be quicker, but you'll be visiting each site at least twice
both options mean you are basing from either a station (1 account) or an Orca (2 accounts)
Scaramanga Erquilenne
#13 - 2013-01-02 07:57:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Scaramanga Erquilenne
witchking42 wrote:
Have a look at Jonny Pew's Youtube video's, but a good one to start with is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDp10xBrRLI

wk42


I watched this and put it in to practise the best i can with my skills.I have the best fit i can for scanning ,But for some reason i am not getting more than a 20% lock on most objects.I scan it down it shows the red circle of were the object is located i move all my probes with in the red sphere location and slowly reduce the scan distance and each time it just disappears .The object is NIH-343 in 0.7 space and it just wont let me get a lock on it are get past a 20% lock

It just makes no sense some objects are easy to scan but some objects refuse to let me scan them past 20% Its been about the most frustrating waste of time i have had in this game got nothing but eye strain )

Are some objects harder to scan than others for new players with low skills are there some things i wont be able to scan down ?
Also is there any keyboard controls to move the camera ? mouse controls are terrble for this purpose
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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-01-02 08:45:30 UTC
Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:
Are some objects harder to scan than others


Yes

Quote:
for new players with low skills are there some things i wont be able to scan down ?


Yes

There are still things (in highsec) that I can't scan down with moderate skills, faction gear, implants and a gravity capacitor rig on my ship and have to switch to a bonused ship to pinpoint. They're mostly gravimetric sites.

Get your skills up to the point you can use 6 or 7 probes, if you can, fit a grav rig to your ship and use sisters launcher and probes. That'll massively reduce the difficulty of pinpointing the harder sites

Oh, and check your filters. If you're filtering site types out (eg grav or radar), they'll disappear once you get them to 30% as that's when the site type is identified. Leave filters completely off for now.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-01-02 08:48:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
Just popping in to say, ANY level of sleepers i qould recommend doing with friends, because otherwise people like SYJ will get bored, roll static's static's and see you on dscan, then pop.

also, sleepers are awesome money if in an organized group, and if after roaming some C1's-C3's with some buddies you fidn you like, feel free to try and sign up with one fo the higher end alliances, most of us like new people as long as they like learning/being cooperative.

and by good money i mean people in C6's most often have 2 or 3 free accounts because of the isk they make.
Scaramanga Erquilenne
#16 - 2013-01-02 08:58:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Scaramanga Erquilenne
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:
Are some objects harder to scan than others


Yes

Quote:
for new players with low skills are there some things i wont be able to scan down ?


Yes

There are still things (in highsec) that I can't scan down with moderate skills, faction gear, implants and a gravity capacitor rig on my ship and have to switch to a bonused ship to pinpoint. They're mostly gravimetric sites.

Get your skills up to the point you can use 6 or 7 probes, if you can, fit a grav rig to your ship and use sisters launcher and probes. That'll massively reduce the difficulty of pinpointing the harder sites

Oh, and check your filters. If you're filtering site types out (eg grav or radar), they'll disappear once you get them to 30% as that's when the site type is identified. Leave filters completely off for now.



Thanks that's what i wanted to know .Help if they tell you these things in the scanning tutorial would have saved me hours of frustration trying to scan down things that most new players wont have the skills to do .Also help if they had keyboard controls for camera movement ,

Using a mouse to control a 3d camera of this nature is poor design and nothing but frustrating and time consuming.I have the fit you recommend and spent 50mil on sister lancher but like most things in eve its VERY expensive to buy and profits to be made from it are tiny for new players .I dont know how any new player gets through this game with out buring through plex and the more i play it the more i think its designed to be like that.
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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-01-02 09:30:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:
I dont know how any new player gets through this game with out buring through plex.


It's not hard.
You don't need the faction gear. It makes things easier, but you don't need it. You can get the easier sites with the gear that you were given in the exploration tutorial (well, maybe with the addition of a rig or 2)

In case you missed the edit.., Check Your Filters! If you have a filter configured (maybe from when you were messing around at the beginning) then anything that doesn't match the filter will disappear as soon as you ID the type (around 30%)
Scaramanga Erquilenne
#18 - 2013-01-02 09:59:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Scaramanga Erquilenne
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Scaramanga Erquilenne wrote:
I dont know how any new player gets through this game with out buring through plex.


It's not hard.
You don't need the faction gear. It makes things easier, but you don't need it. You can get the easier sites with the gear that you were given in the exploration tutorial (well, maybe with the addition of a rig or 2)

In case you missed the edit.., Check Your Filters! If you have a filter configured (maybe from when you were messing around at the beginning) then anything that doesn't match the filter will disappear as soon as you ID the type (around 30%)



Thanks for the advise have my filters reset.Scanned about 15 different systems found one worm hole in which i got placed in my pod in one shot and one little ore site of very little value .Spent 70milisk on a new ship and fitting , Spend more hours got frustrated with the interface and and numerous objects i could not scan derived about 3 minutes entertainment in the wormhole and 4 hours of frustrationand and 70 mil isk loss,

Which i would have to mine for at least 8 hours to get unless i had plex and provided i dont get suicide ganked of some bored vets while i am doing that much hated mining in high sec P .Thats my introduction to exploration , surely it can only get better Smile

Time for a break.
You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist 
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-01-02 10:10:48 UTC
And stay out of wormholes until you can handle yourself in 0.0 security and have a ship that can face sleepers.
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#20 - 2013-01-02 11:06:10 UTC
Yeah I'm guessing the OP doesn't yet realize his biggest threat in a WH are not the sleepers...
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