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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#41 - 2012-12-31 20:43:51 UTC
While the New Order of Highsec is always encouraging new ideas for emergent gameplay this one is bad in its emphasis. The New Halaima Code of Conduct does not distinguish new players as valid targets of the Agents and Knights of the New Order. The New Order is, in fact, unconcerned about how old a player is. We are only concerned with compliant and non-compliant.

That said, the New Order often passes on ganking new players once they are scouted. All miners who have Retrievers, Mackinaws and Hulks are old enough to understand what The Code requires of them. Their choice to not follow it is intentional. But sometimes, a truly new player in an asteroid belt mining veldspar.... well, the New Order is merciful too.

However, the rest are fair targets. The posters above who accuse us of targeting newbies, of being somehow afraid of something veteran miners can do to us, of not being what we say we are, are just trying to make themselves feel better about their total helplessness at stopping us. A look through our killboard shows numerous, multi-year players. Why just this weekend we killed the the CEO of AFK Industries. Let that name sink in a bit...

So, no to kiling the new players. They should be listening to what we say as their time of safety will be ending eventually and the Knights will come calling. If they see the words " www.minerbumping.com " in local they need to read and learn because it IS a threat to all non compliant highsec miners, afk, botter or just angry rebel.

Ignoring us is not an option.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2012-12-31 20:50:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Interesting alliance your part off...

The last time (last Month) I war decced that alliance the leadership was very quick in making sure I ended it... I do so like ISK. but now I have another reason.

I think I need to add that alliance on my list again.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Theron Dashto
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-12-31 21:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Theron Dashto
Bing Bangboom wrote:
That said, the New Order often passes on ganking new players once they are scouted. All miners who have Retrievers, Mackinaws and Hulks are old enough to understand what The Code requires of them. Their choice to not follow it is intentional.


You assume that they have ever heard of you. Your widespread popularity is one of your organization's many delusions.

Bing Bangboom wrote:
The posters above who accuse us of targeting newbies, of being somehow afraid of something veteran miners can do to us, of not being what we say we are, are just trying to make themselves feel better about their total helplessness at stopping us. A look through our killboard shows numerous, multi-year players.


A look through your killboard shows numerous kills against non-combative targets. Nothing more. This is your claim to fame? You pride yourselves on suicide ganking AFKers, miners, and industrial ships...and wonder why no one takes you seriously.
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#44 - 2012-12-31 21:12:10 UTC
Theron Dashto wrote:
...and wonder why no one takes you seriously.


Ah hah... hah... good one.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-01-01 03:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Alana Charen-Teng
Michael Loney wrote:
I lost a ship to them while in conversation with them. So not AFK and actively being social are not enough to save you from a gank.

So no, they are not saving anyone from anything except a heavy wallet.

Report them as isk scammers, move to another system and wait til CPP listens to the majority and drops the ban hammer.


I'm not sure if you meant 'ISK Seller'.

As far as ISK scamming goes - you didn't pay 10 mil, so how were you scammed?
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2013-01-01 04:19:10 UTC
various wrote:
ganking takes no real pvp skills you're ganking because you're actually terrible gar rar rar
it's admirable they they don't allow this to affect their self esteem or hold them back from blowing up spaceships. you should be encouraging these gankers, not trying to put them down! you're awful people for bullying gankers.

go get 'em, fellahs!
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-01-01 04:20:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Alana Charen-Teng
Cannibal Kane wrote:

Firstly, they are not exploiting a game mechanic. Bumping is perfectly legal.

Yes.

Cannibal Kane wrote:

Secondly, the entire miner bumping is there to extort ISK from miners. Whatever is posted on their site is complete drivel and anybody that believes what is written is a moron. Most of the supporters are faceless NPC alts, to terrified of their own shadows and therefore will never reveal their main.

Miner bumping is ostensibly for the extortion of miniscule quantities of ISK from miners. It is actually about drawing attention to the unreasonable entitlement mentality held by some highsec players. I invite you to look beyond the surface.

Cannibal Kane wrote:

If mining is such a big problem to them then they need unzip their balls and go on the offensive, whether it be wars or suicides. Actions speak louder than words.

We did.

Cannibal Kane wrote:

Gank people all you want, but don't start organizing a concerted effort against new players alone.

Agreed. It's acceptable to target a player who happens to be new. It is not a good idea to target a player because he is new.

Cannibal Kane wrote:

and now thirdly... it seems a lot of people believe that we pay way to little for our combat ships. So why not drive prices up by killing miners. Your mentality in this regard is astonishing... since it is the same people that wants miners dead that complain of about ship prices.

You are pointing out that killing miners results in higher ship prices, but the same can be said of bots. Low ship price is not at the top of everyone's list of priorities.
Sara Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-01-01 04:48:54 UTC
Tara Read wrote:


Oh that's right. You are ranked number 82,952 on battleclinic. You have 45 kills with ALL of them being mining barges or tech 1 transports. You are a coward. You don't even engage COMBAT ships. Why don't you stray down to Nandeza and pay me a visit. You don't even need to flip a can or worry about your precious CONCORD.

This thread serves no purpose. You serve no purpose. And I'm adding you to one of my combat alts and will be paying you a visit sometime very soon.


Only just saw this nonsense. Yeah, cos this is my main and not a hulkaggedon alt isnt it? Good luck doing anything with your combat alt. since my sec status is about -9.4 if im in high sec i will either be warping to you, shooting you or warping away in my pod, you cant touch me. I couldnt gve a **** about where i am on battleclinic or if you dont think i can pvp, youre probably one pf those "elite" null sec pvpers who turn up when theyre told to and shoot who theyre told to. Even if you pod me then so what? You cant do anything to me other than ***** on here.
Sara Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-01-01 04:59:19 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Sara Arran wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
To put it bluntly, this is a stupid idea.


How so? I enjoy tears as much as anyone but we have an opportunity to persuade new players to do something interesting rather than shoot rocks and then leave cos its dull as **** or become entitled dicks who think they should be able to shoot rocks without anyone bothering them.


That's not "getting tears". What you are doing is telling new players that you're an absolute ****, and that you have absolutely no skill at PvP or anything even remotely close to it. You are a carebear, more-so than the AFK miners you want to "kill".

Getting quality tears requires you to know how to actually PvP. It requires you to know how to gather proper intelligence on an enemy, and use their weaknesses against them. Get someone pissed off enough because you won't engage them on their terms so they threaten to kill you IRL. Report them. The suspension happens, and watch them hop on an alt to whine, or ragedec your alliance because he can't play on his main right now. Those are tears.

Find out a WT alt's mining corp and dec them, and the CEO of the corp threatens to report you to the FBI for cyberterrorism. Those are tears.

If you seriously think that the upset newb you just blew up, complaining about how you were a "big ol' meanieface" qualifies as tears that anyone cares about, I don't know what to tell you. You're bad and should feel bad.


I am an absolute **** Big smile. Having said that i aspire to the above, if true then well played.
Sara Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-01-01 05:07:21 UTC
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
Sara Arran wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
Sara Arran wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
They can't ban all of us for ganking newbies. Can they?


Only if you do it in a noob system, outside of that you can do what you like

You can get banned for this?


Not as far as i know (note: if you do get banned i take no responsibility!)



Just so you are aware of the rules, targeting rookies in rookie systems is strictly prohibited. Do not do it.


I explicitly said this was not allowed in rookie systems and nor should it be. You know there are people sitting on the undock in rookie systems in navy battleships popping people tho right (battlebv im looking at you!)? Even i wouldnt do that!
Sara Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2013-01-01 05:11:14 UTC
Tortise Winkle VonDudenberg wrote:
Ive never seen people so angry at a certain style of gameplay. You are but a handful (the order) and eve is a very very big place. While i applaud your creation of content, I also seem to be detecting tears. Tears of another sort. The kind that are usually unavailable on the market. Griefer Tears.

So far it would seem as if James 317 and his crew have made more posts than the miners they bump. They then go about mashing at the keyboard till there fingers are nubs and make crazy posts on the forums calling for ganks. You do know why the ganking stopped right? and why you guys have moved to bumping?

I dont know if this is an intended feature of your created content, or just frustration that what you are trying to do is not going as planned. But i dont like it, James needs to get a grip on his "agents" cause from where i stand. He is no leader, Because a leader wouldn't let his agents post this mess on the forums.


James 317: A greifer? yes. A leader ? Far from it.


We adapt, you whine to ccp. You see the difference?
Sara Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-01-01 05:40:06 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
[quote=Sara Arran]

What menace? These "noob" players are the future of this game. They breathe new life into a game that is a decade old and with new subscriptions leads to more incentive for CCP to keep the servers up and more development to make this game even more enjoyable for the broader player base.

I have much more respect for a newer player than the likes of you. They at least can show a willingness to ease into PVP later on or better yet, provide me with the modules I need to keep my ships fitted and working. Who knows? Maybe that new player will stray into low sec in a Drake or something else eager to explore the harsh realities of this universe.

But that will all be for nothing if all you do is prey upon the ignorant. They probably don't even know what a Battlecruiser IS let.


Did you read what i wrote? Free skillbooks etc ? Teaching people? So they dont end up doing mining ops with the likes of you
Theron Dashto
Doomheim
#53 - 2013-01-01 05:51:50 UTC
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
Miner bumping is ostensibly for the extortion of miniscule quantities of ISK from miners. It is actually about drawing attention to the unreasonable entitlement mentality held by some highsec players. I invite you to look beyond the surface.


Kind of like how you guys feel entitled to "educate" miners on how they should be playing?
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2013-01-01 06:38:29 UTC
They have a bigger stick. That's their entitlement.
Theron Dashto
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-01-01 06:57:58 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
They have a bigger stick. That's their entitlement.


You spelled ego wrong.
SaKoil
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2013-01-01 06:58:56 UTC
Theron Dashto wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
They have a bigger stick. That's their entitlement.


You spelled ego wrong.

Ego
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2013-01-01 07:13:16 UTC
Theron Dashto wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
They have a bigger stick. That's their entitlement.


You spelled ego wrong.

No. The New Order's entitlement to make demands of miners is due to their willingness and ability to use force within game mechanics and terms of service.
ScoRpS
Moist Wanted.
OnlyFleets.
#58 - 2013-01-01 07:29:10 UTC  |  Edited by: ScoRpS
I feel the OP is cruel and psychopathic towards Eve's newish players. Grow a pair and go fight someone ready to fight back or start a school and pretend you know ****.
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-01-01 07:42:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Alana Charen-Teng
Theron Dashto wrote:
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
Miner bumping is ostensibly for the extortion of miniscule quantities of ISK from miners. It is actually about drawing attention to the unreasonable entitlement mentality held by some highsec players. I invite you to look beyond the surface.


Kind of like how you guys feel entitled to "educate" miners on how they should be playing?


No, not "kind of like" that.

The entitlement mentality of petition-happy miners is unreasonable, because they do not understand what it means to play in EVE's multiplayer 'sandbox' environment - you can try to play the way you like, and others can try to interrupt your play.

A good forum post on this matter:
On 'Griefing', the 'Sandbox', and 'Carebears'
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-01-01 07:46:31 UTC
Theron Dashto wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
They have a bigger stick. That's their entitlement.


You spelled ego wrong.


You spelled 'terrible arguments' wrong.