Crime & Punishment

You do what you do beause the majority of people don't like what you're doing? That is one definition of a harasser.

I mine in hi-sec so I don't have to deal with people using cowardly or petty tactics to interrupt my game. That's what Hi-sec is suppose to be about - no matter what the lag time of CONCORD is.

My expriance with the so called new order last night

Four months in to eve and still enjoying it apart from a few things like the sheer expense of every thing in game and the lack of financial reward from missions exploration and mining compared to the costs of good ships and good moduals .I am slowly working though all the different ways to play the game and decided to invest in a blueprint research in and build some stuff as well as exploration and running missions.Unless you want to grind for endless hours you have no option but to buy plex and well as you 10 euro a month sub at least for the fist year.

I Invested 30 mil in a retriever and 7 mil on insurance and another 10 mil on fitting it out to mine some ice now that's almost 40 mil there.It takes many hours of game play for a new player to get 40 mil.I found a ice Field last night in brapelille 07 and started to mine some blue ice.Seemed to take for ages to fill up the ore hold and to my surprise about 1 hour on mining blueice only yielded me 4 million isk .So that would work out at 10 hours of mining blue ice just to cover the cost of what i spent on the equipment and ship.

Understand that as the weeks , months, years pass and i improve my skills and equipment that the yield will increase.But at the moment as a new player this is were i am.So i am sitting mining the ice and i notice some odd behaviour and ships coming in and out of the sector and some one talking about having to pay 100 million for a licence to mine ice in the area .I Align my ship to the gate and got ready to jump and sure enough 1 min later 8 catalysts warp in on a suicide mission i warp out and manage to get away.

I changed ship and returned to the sector to see what happened and i noticed that the player who was mining ice next to me did not make it out and lost his ship and he was Not AFK are a Bot.Now unless he was using a alt this player was also a new player like my self according to his profile.So i read the local chatter and it turns out the new order is trying to run a extortion racket on the mine field.Plain to see that they were all alts used by experienced eve players to suicide miners under the guise of a supposed cause.

My guess is they all have great incomes from there other alts are some goo ISK rolling in with little effort.And it would be fine if they had to live with the consequence of their actions but they don't, sure all the alts will disappear in a short while and new ones will appear and repeat.Now if i lost my 40 mil investment while grinding for just 4 mil a hour in a ice field in 07 space I would start to think the cards are all stacked against new players and its pointless.At least use your main alt and stop hideing behind two months old alts if your all for the cause.

Its just experienced bored players, with lots of spare ISK preying upon new players for laughs and giggles and in the end i am sure all it will do is turn new players away from the game.I would be happy with this if these people stayed with these characters and used them as their main but they dont .Just seems a lame war to fight to me, plenty battles out there they could get involved in with people who can fight back.

Not saying all high sec should be safe have no problem with losing a ship in high sec and if ccp want to make it more of a challenge throw in some harder AI at high sec mining sites i just think experienced players with ISK to burn who suicide new players who grinds for hours and days weeks to make a start in the game is bad for the game.The use of alts just make it all pointless and why on earth would any station let wanted players dock in it anyway.If ccp want to stop people AFK mining are bots they should introduce a new mineing system

Maybe us new players should get some cheap ships and go and pod the one day old accounts coming out of a station unless they pay us 10 mil sure CCP would like that . Its the same principle as what New order is trying to do and its a game breaker.

It's Our game dude, not single player.

Don't tell him that. There's a huge difference between actual newbies still in the tutorials and a newish player a month old. The gamemasters expand the definition of harassment greatly when it comes to rookies. If I remember a GM post I saw correctly, the rules aren't absolutely set but are to the spirit of 'don't **** with rookies'.

The difference is between ganking a player who doesn't know how to move their ship and ganking a month-old who understands game mechanics to the extent of being able to support themselves and affect other players in a meaningful way. A month-old who can avoid danger if they think, pay attention and realise that sometimes they have to compromise. EVE is harsh and you* can't define yourself as a rookie for as long as you find it convenient to the detriment of the game of those around you.

*e: not you

Please gank in your mains.

Due to the mandatory "Throttling" by Canadian ISP's my last experience with new order was:
Reds jump into belt, hit warp to station,screen freezes - 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, wake up in new pod 15 jumps away. A thrilling experience to be sure.

Now I have killrights for 7 or 8 new players flying catalysts- whoopee! I'm sure I'll catch a few in Bawilan or Brapellille, but really not worth more than a couple hours to pop pilots with nothing ships.

I don't consider it griefing, but still I mine in my main, please gank in yours.

Having been a miner, I know a number of methods to foil bumpers. I've never seen anyone employ them.

Having spent a fair bit of time observing the activities of the New Order, I know several ways they could be effectively countered until they adapted with a strategy that would be far less efficient for them. There have been times I could have done considerable damage to their operations if it had suited me.

However, I will not reveal my secrets for free, as I highly enjoy watching these guys work. In fact I invited them into a system and watched the drama unfold over several days. It was great fun.

Want to know what I know? Make an offer.

Now I have killrights for 7 or 8 new players flying catalysts- whoopee!

There is little point, however, as you can be fairly certain that they will all be biomassed by the end of the month and replaced with new disposable suicide gank alts.