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[Public Announcment] Black Dalphine Prison Facility

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2012-12-31 22:33:16 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:


As I pointed out above, this isn't his technology... and it's not something new either. The Amarrians (and Ammatar, like you), have been using it in their prisons for more years than I know of. If you have a problem with the ethical ramifications of Mind Warden tech, consider looking at your own Ammatar Mandate, the Khanid Kingdom, and the Amarr Empire itself.

Unless of course, you simply mean to say you don't trust an independent licensee with this technology.


I did not mean anything of that sort and was not especially criticizing the ethical side of that technology.

You almost sound like yourself have an issue with me, though. Have I genuinely done something wrong ?
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#22 - 2012-12-31 22:35:56 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:


As I pointed out above, this isn't his technology... and it's not something new either. The Amarrians (and Ammatar, like you), have been using it in their prisons for more years than I know of. If you have a problem with the ethical ramifications of Mind Warden tech, consider looking at your own Ammatar Mandate, the Khanid Kingdom, and the Amarr Empire itself.

Unless of course, you simply mean to say you don't trust an independent licensee with this technology.


I did not mean anything of that sort and was not especially criticizing the ethical side of that technology.

You almost sound like yourself have an issue with me, though. Have I genuinely done something wrong ?


Alright, and no.

Katrina Oniseki

Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#23 - 2012-12-31 23:31:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Katherine Devonshire
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
It's not his technology. He himself is using licensed technology from the Amarrians. How he got it from them is what you should be asking.


I most certainly shall be making inquiries, at the whole thing smells suspiciously of something Sansha Kuvakei would use. In fact, the technology sounds disturbingly similar to capsuleer reports of technology employed by Sansha's Nation and it's various subsidiaries as well. Considering our history with Sansha, the idea of using their technology and/or methods is simply... unacceptable.

I know that many will find it hard to understand this from an Amarrian point of view, but I find the whole "Mind Warden" concept high unethical. Normally hardened criminals are enslaved, this is true, and yes the most violent & hopeless of them become candidates for what little remains of vitoc industry. The question of "free will" may seem paradoxical when it comes to the subject of slave behavior, but I shall attempt to explain it the best I can.

It is not only the destination but also the journey that matters. It is not enough that the convict turned slave renounce their evil ways and come to change them. It is not a question of punishment so much as self-realization & introspection. Years of service slowly strips away the malformed personality and evolves it into a better one. The time involved is a critical factor: Things quickly done can be quickly undone, as Kraven Fawkes himself has already pointed out. Slave convict conditioning, or more appropriately rehabilitation, is not a direct assault on the mind or the subject's will. Rather it is a conditioning that forces the guilty party to spend every day in contemplation of their actions, analyzing it themselves over time, and gives them a sense of hope in that they may become free again if they can prove their souls to be truly reformed & saved.

So it is not that we break their will. Instead we create conditions where the convict slave ultimately breaks their own will. Their own desire to truly become a better person & redeem themselves is what drowns out the sinful person that they were. It is only then that they are considered for being freed, for such a reformed person no longer needs an external master - for they have learned to master themselves. The mark of the truly conditioned slave, or more precisely, the truly reformed ex-slave convict, is that they feel gratitude towards their former masters for saving them from their own sinfully destructive (and self-destructive) paths. Genuine remorse for their past actions & a true desire to rise above them is not something that can be achieved through brute force methods.

Only a properly disciplined mind can see the reality of what it is has done. It requires an conscious act of self-destruction, and an effort of the will. We do not destroy the will of the convict slave as long as he resists us. As long as he resists us he cannot be saved. Instead we instill him with our Faith. We purify his soul. Only when there is nothing left but regret for his sins and a love of God can he be considered redeemed. His bonds are thus broken when nothing remains of the sinful person that he once was. The end product of our effort is not a villainous convict slave but rather a good & loyal citizen of the Empire.

This, I believe, is also not something that can be easily achieved through any sort of technology, no matter how advanced it may seem. Nor can it be induced through drugs (hence the falling use of vitoc over the decades, as it ultimately defeats any hope of redemption) or "simulated experience." I know skeptics will roll their eyes at what I'm about to say, but when it comes to issues of the soul then the soul will, in the end, find a way to see through simulations, no matter how elaborate they may be.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#24 - 2012-12-31 23:58:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
I don't understand why everyone thinks this technology is at all related to Nation implants. I hear a lot of people pointing fingers and screaming "Sanshaaaaaaa!!!! OH MY GOOOOSSSSHHH!!!" when they've only the scarcest idea what they're accusing.

The technology itself is simply the forced projection of imagery and sensation directly into the subject's mind. It's based on the same technology as Egonics, Virtual Reality games, and your own Capsuleer interfaces. Yes, that's right, our very own precious egg tech.

Instead of projecting music directly into your brain, or projecting a virtual battlefield for you to join in an online game, or projecting the sensory data of your ship and camera drones.... Mind Warden technology projects a chosen scene and/or scenario to the subject inmate for the purpose of psychological conditioning.

Yes. These are prisoners who are being 'rehabilitated' through virtual reality, by forcing them to experience various events both good and bad. The technology itself does not force any emotions or thought patterns on the subject. Nation implants do. This does NOT.

The mind warden (that's the title of the operator of the equioment, to be clear) in reality is the one who carefully directs what the inmate gets to see or hear. They work alongside trained psychologists, and they control what the subject experiences in the virtual reality. They cannot control how the inmate responds. Some inmates will reject the Mind Warden conditioning wholesale. Some are simply too insane to train, if you'll pardon the rhyme.

Furthermore, humane or not... the Empire has been using this technology for a LONG time on a widespread scale. If you'd like to know more, go take a visit to the Hedion system, Imperial Corrections Penitentiary 89 (ICP 89), or visit your local library on methods of correctional rehabilitation throughout the cluster.

(( Source: "Templar One" novel, pages 14-20 ))

Katrina Oniseki

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-01-01 00:08:51 UTC
Having spent my entire life in the Kingdom I'm quite well aware of their, and the Empire's capabilities with regards to this technology.

I'm asking him if their version is available.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Kraven Fawkes
Fawkes Dynamics Surveillance and Security Firm
#26 - 2013-01-01 00:09:53 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Mr. Fawkes,

1. Does your organization license your technology for independent usage?

2. Do you accept capsuleers that volunteer for your services?


This technology is not the Intellectual Property of Fawkes Dynamics Surveillance and Securities, it is in fact as Miss Oniseki has pointed out, Amarrian Tech on a lend lease program to our corporation. We are not, and under the terms of our contract never will be able to, license this technology. As to the second part of the question, if you are asking if we accept prisoners whom are capsuleers, the answer is no, CONCORD alone is responsible for all legal matter pertaining to Empyreans. If you are asking if we are hiring, the answer is yes.

Scherezad wrote:
I would like to take this opportunity to point out that Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetic is available to assist in neural therapeudics and other cognitive aids.


Your organization has been one that I have kept a close eye on since before my resent ascension to Empyrean status and I would be honored to enter into a business agreement with you of any sort.

wrote:
Lady Katherine Devonshire]I most certainly shall be making inquiries, at the whole thing smells suspiciously of something Sansha Kuvakei would use. In fact, the technology sounds disturbingly similar to capsuleer reports of technology employed by Sansha's Nation and it's various subsidiaries as well. Considering our history with Sansha, the idea of using their technology and/or methods is simply... unacceptable.


Madam, the entirety of this technology is Amarrian in origin, licensed to FOXDY by the Ministry of Corrections. I would direct you to Lord Sifu Al-Singh. As to the rest of your text, seeing as this is Amarr technology, and used fairly often in your legal system, if you find it a contrary act to your faith I would suggest that the matter be discussed with Clergy as I am in no position to help you find a balance between scripture and this act.
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#27 - 2013-01-01 00:12:03 UTC
Just promise that you will not go and connect this system to any self-mobile drone platforms.
Kraven Fawkes
Fawkes Dynamics Surveillance and Security Firm
#28 - 2013-01-01 00:16:18 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
Just promise that you will not go and connect this system to any self-mobile drone platforms.


I am not legally allowed to address all of the questions posed by everyone here, however I can assure you that using a technology like this or Capsuleer technology to enable an AI to do harm is a criminal act in all Empires under CONCORD jurisdiction and I believe that even Mordus Legion, both Cartels as well as Blood Raiders see the act as criminal.
Natalcya Katla
Astropolitan Front
#29 - 2013-01-01 01:58:37 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
I don't understand why everyone thinks this technology is at all related to Nation implants. I hear a lot of people pointing fingers and screaming "Sanshaaaaaaa!!!! OH MY GOOOOSSSSHHH!!!" when they've only the scarcest idea what they're accusing.

Quite right.

It's been said before, but it bears repeating: There are no prisons in Sansha's Nation. While the ambitions of this project seem commendable, the modus operandi is - to the best of my knowledge - different from what you would find at a Nation facility.
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-01-01 09:34:28 UTC
Monsieur Fawkes,

Thank you for the detailed public announcement and the frank explanation of your technology and methodology. I do have a few inquiries.


  1. What are your privacy policies concerning session records, psychiatric assessments, and neuro pathing maps for prisoners undergoing treatment?
  2. What are your privacy and disclosure policies concerning prisoner rosters and client corporations?
  3. Do you have specialized staff or the expertise for dealing with the the generational memories and personas of an Intaki Reborn convict?


Your time is appreciated.
Kraven Fawkes
Fawkes Dynamics Surveillance and Security Firm
#31 - 2013-01-01 18:45:38 UTC
Shaalira D'arc wrote:


  1. What are your privacy policies concerning session records, psychiatric assessments, and neuro pathing maps for prisoners undergoing treatment?
  2. What are your privacy and disclosure policies concerning prisoner rosters and client corporations?
  3. Do you have specialized staff or the expertise for dealing with the the generational memories and personas of an Intaki Reborn convict?



Thank you for your inquiry ma'am and I will try and keep my response from becoming long winded.

Once treatment has been provided and the prisoner has been released, the Mind Warden method has been proven to have about a 97% and change success rate in Amarr, where it has failed is cases where the patient has a lack of opportunity, fails in with old crowds or simply society will not let them be anything but what they were. In one case an Amarrian man, who had done murder to children on a rather large scale over the course of years, was successfully treated by Mind Wardens. However as you can imagine, the public was not "cured" of what this man had done. When it became known what this man had done, he was ostracized, bullied, beaten and in once case tortured by his community. These events broke the work of the Wardens and, sadly, the man reverted to old form and seventeen more children died. I mention this case as it will help in answering your first question.

Our privacy policy in regards to patient/prisoner sessions, assessments, neuro pathing and so on is strictly confidential for many reason. Firstly and most paramount, we need to protect the work done by the Wardens when we provide the patient (after the Wardens have completed their work we refer to our detainees as patients rather the prisoners) with a new identity and in some cases facial reconstruction. Secondly the Warden technology is a closely, and jealously kept crown jewel of the Amarr Empire, and as such our agreement with the Empire forbids such records falling into anyone's hands that does not have a CONCORD warrant. Even other nations such as my State must go through the proper channels to gain access to these records.

Our policy concerning prisoner rosters and client organizations are as strict as the patients medical record in that they are closed save by order of CONCORD. Right now my staff is working with Amarrian Mind Wardens, under their watchful ministrations and this will be the case for the next three years. However one day the training wheels will come off and at that point the Ministry of Corrections in Amarr has already signed off on the fact that even the Amarr, who so graciously have licensed this gift to us, will need to follow the same legal avenues as all other nations in garnering this information. Client corporations will know who they sent us, the details of their crimes and their contract with us, but this information will not be available to others without the proper warrant.

Before responding to this inqury I did have a sit down with my Amarrian liason in regards to your third question and I must admit that there was some "hmming" and "huhing" on this one. She explained to me that Reborn pose a series of questions that she has never encountered with this process. Reborn have the accumulation of several generations within them and whilst these generations are dormant in the person, and the individual is an individual, we would need to take considerable time and proceed more delicately then we would with a normal person. The mind, the way that we act to situations, is a series of building blocks that guide us through our life.

In the case of a Reborn, there are considerably more blocks to sift through and the question my liason was stumped on was "is this the action we wish to correct the result of the individuals life experience, or the accumulation of life experiences from the reborn process." She explained to me that if the action to be corrected was that of the individual, and individual who was bullied all their life, marginalized and so on, this would be fairly straight forward. However if the bad actions were the result of on memory personas experience, combined with another and another made manifest in the individual, this would pose serious problems as you would be in effect treating several patients and trying to align all of them. My final answer on this would be that we would be willing to attempt a reborn correction, however if we discover that it is a process that we cannot successfully achieve, with consistant success, then we would leave such matters to more orthodox legal systems.

Forgive me if the answers on this final question seem vague. I myself am not one of our Mind Warden's and I am not even very apt at psychology as a whole. I have hired the best staff available and I leave this arena of my business to those smarter then me in this arena.
Kraven Fawkes
Fawkes Dynamics Surveillance and Security Firm
#32 - 2013-01-01 22:09:38 UTC
115-1-1 The first prisoners arrive.

Today at 14:46 local we received our first prisoners, and I must admit that the fantasy of rehabilitation and the reality of whom we are dealing with conflict some. When my Project Lead for this venture first broached the idea to me of giving a second chance to the clusters worst five years ago, the humanitarian in me jumped for joy. I dreamed of making new what was broken and mending minds wounded by apathetic society, but as I looked at the roster of who was now in my care I suddenly wanted to flush the entire lot out of the airlock. Men whom had committed genocide fro profit, women whom had burned their children alive, and as I looked upon the stream of three hundred stasis tubes I wondered if this entire venture was hubris on my part.

Our lead Amarrian Warden overseer must have seen the look on my face and wandered over to me, placing a caring hand on my shoulder.

"I was like that the first time the realization of whom our patients are Mister Fawkes," he said to me. He told me that no matter what we did here, the crimes these people had done would never be erased, the lives lost would never be restored and the hearts breaking would never be mended. "What we do is not for the victims, what we do is for those whom do not deserve a second chance, whom do not deserve pity, we do this because it is His will."I know nothing of the Amarrian God, but for some strange reason this did give me resolve.

Hours later, after all the tubes had been secured that same Overseer invited me to plug in with him in a passive mood and witness the first session at Black Dalphine. I will not describe the session as that would be a violation, instead I will describe what I witnessed in there.

The Warden constructed a scene where the two men were on a hillock over looking a quaint harbor city. The Warden had taken on the image of the image of the man and forced the man to revert to a child. They were playing with a ball and the man/boy was happy. Through a sort of telepathy facilitated by the link, the Warden explained to me that the patients father was a soldier. A hard man that never smiled, never played or had a kind word for his son, and that this session was simply a building block put in place to begin to chip away at the walls put up by a man whom had done what he had done to earn praise from a father who never had sparred any.

These sessions, in reality where minutes long, but within the mind, at the speed of thought it seemed we spent months in there with a series of patients, and I was amazed with the complexity of the scenarios constructed. I was a corporeal witness to these scenes, able to comunicate with the Warden but unknown to the patients, however I could sense their joy, their angers, their pains and while I will never understand their crimes I did begin to empathise with their foundations.
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