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Jove and Genetic Manipulation

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Borascus
#21 - 2012-12-13 10:07:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Borascus
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:


Now, where do I download hot interracial Brutor-on-Jovian porn...



lil, lyl, lol?
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-12-13 17:38:58 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Caldari, Gallente, Amarr... separate cultures in one big petri dish called New Eden. I operate under the assumption that the four races in existence today, are the product of Jovian social engineering in the distant past. The Amarr had their Sefrim in ancient history, the Minmatar received Jovian aid during the rebellion, and more recently, there's the Caldari and the Jovian "gift" of capsules.

I figure it's for a reason. The Jovians appear to be hell-bent on ensuring one thing: balance. They don't want their four pet cultures to start wiping each other out completely. If one is imperiled, the Jovians tip the scales in their favor. They want to preserve the experiment to its conclusion.

This suggests to me that the four younger races of New Eden each represent a human quality the Jovians want to recapture, having lost it along with the rest of their humanity. Perhaps each is an experiment in what gives humans the willpower to go on? The Amarr have their faith, and it makes them strong. The Caldari have their unity, and it makes them strong. The Gallente have their diversity, and the Minmatar have their yearning for freedom and resistance to oppression.

The experiment is almost over.


i have another doubt about it, how are the Jovians related with the Gallente?
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-12-13 18:58:41 UTC
They.... Uh... Are good friends? Dunno. There are several jove stations (Xsense, and I think other corps too) around Gallente space, while I've never seen them at other empires.
Adam Junior
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-12-13 22:26:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Adam Junior
Silivar Karkun wrote:
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Caldari, Gallente, Amarr... separate cultures in one big petri dish called New Eden. I operate under the assumption that the four races in existence today, are the product of Jovian social engineering in the distant past. The Amarr had their Sefrim in ancient history, the Minmatar received Jovian aid during the rebellion, and more recently, there's the Caldari and the Jovian "gift" of capsules.

I figure it's for a reason. The Jovians appear to be hell-bent on ensuring one thing: balance. They don't want their four pet cultures to start wiping each other out completely. If one is imperiled, the Jovians tip the scales in their favor. They want to preserve the experiment to its conclusion.

This suggests to me that the four younger races of New Eden each represent a human quality the Jovians want to recapture, having lost it along with the rest of their humanity. Perhaps each is an experiment in what gives humans the willpower to go on? The Amarr have their faith, and it makes them strong. The Caldari have their unity, and it makes them strong. The Gallente have their diversity, and the Minmatar have their yearning for freedom and resistance to oppression.

The experiment is almost over.


i have another doubt about it, how are the Jovians related with the Gallente?


In the short story Theodicy, the Jove and Gallente work together to help the Minmatar, incidentally anyone who wants to know about the Jove and hasn't read Theodicy should do so.

http://community.eveonline.com/races/theodicy/
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#25 - 2012-12-18 00:20:14 UTC
Hey, just noticed something in the new Evewiki fiction that lends (some) support to my theory of Jovians using Minmatar for their delicious, delicious genes:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Academy_of_Aggressive_Behaviour

Quote:
The Academy uses a variety of methods to reintroduce aggressive emotions into their recruits. The first and most widespread method is gene therapy. In this method, the Jove splice genes into already-living Jove through the use of specially designed retroviruses that transmit genetic code into their cells. Through this, a Jove who was born without the capability of expressing emotions such as anger and intimidation gains that ability later in life.


Saaaay... what is the angriest culture in New Eden?
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#26 - 2012-12-18 10:55:06 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Saaaay... what is the angriest culture in New Eden?


Capsuleers?

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Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
#27 - 2012-12-18 14:28:36 UTC
This reminds me of Larry Niven's "Known World" series, with the Puppeteers secretly controlling the genetics of the various other races, to introduce or eliminate certain characteristics.
Canis Ensa
Estrale Frontiers
#28 - 2012-12-19 03:24:56 UTC
I always wondered if the Jove's resons for giving the Caldari (and by extension everyone else) capsule technology didn't have some ulterior motive beyond whatever the Caldari gave them.

Consider: They had to know what would happen when a race of immortal power-hungry demi-gods started roaming the stars. So, what happens when the accumulated knowledge and experience surpasses the human brain's ability to contain it? Some capsuleers have lived for decades, maybe a century at most, but at some point their heads are simply going to run out of space for new memories and skills.

Furthermore, at some point, as technology increases, capsuleers will increasingly find that the limiting factor to their starships' performance is the biological component. So, will they give up and plateau as a sub-society, or will they start dabbling in genetic manipulation to overcome these shortcomings, as the Jove did?

Perhaps the Jove's reasons for unleashing capsuleers was more to have their own problem looked at "with fresh eyes" so to speak. See what the younger races come up with, then apply it to their own race.

Or maybe I'm just crazy :)
Velarra
#29 - 2012-12-23 19:27:45 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Saaaay... what is the angriest culture in New Eden?


Capsuleers?


Do Capsuleers have their own unique culture? Or are they simply a class of people from various originating cultures who share similar technology which enable their unique traits?
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#30 - 2012-12-24 00:45:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
I would say maybe we do have our (sub-)culture. Like saying "gf" to the filthy pirate that just blew your ship and crew up, scamming everyone and seeing scams everywhere, sadism and violent tendencies.

At the very least we have our own slang, or at least I pretend we do for immersion's sake: rats, ganked, grid, we call eachother "players" like pimps, talking about the capsuleer career/life as "the game", referring to our more baseline activities as "real life", as the capsuleer existence is quite surreal, etc.

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Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-12-26 02:14:05 UTC
Silivar Karkun wrote:


i have another doubt about it, how are the Jovians related with the Gallente?


At first (or second) I thought they could, maybe, be the control group. But after reading a certain part of The Burning Life where it's talked about implants... I'm starting to wonder if they aren't a projection of what the first/second empire was: Freedom, democracy, commonwealth... That then began to modificate themselves heavily. First, mechanically, after that, genetically.

Canis Ensa wrote:

Perhaps the Jove's reasons for unleashing capsuleers was more to have their own problem looked at "with fresh eyes" so to speak. See what the younger races come up with, then apply it to their own race.

Or maybe I'm just crazy :)


Not crazy, I'm pretty sure that this is what it is about. The have 4 different races which their own defining treats, probably some sort of the first empire ideals, then they introduce the same tech the had rigth before they started to screw themselves up. Sit, mix, and see what happens.
Jimmy Hawks
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-12-30 14:44:28 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Velarra wrote:
Here's a thought: Does pride keep the Jovians from biologically breeding with non-jovians? Particularly with an interest toward rehabilitating the Jovian genome & introducing new / healthier material into their profile?

Sure, non-jovians may be prone to cancer & various other impurities, but they may not suffer from the genetically crippling, inherited Jovian disease.

On the other hand, Abdiel Verat out in Curse does seem to vaguely imply at one point that (a veiled something) ( i read as Jovian disease) can be transmitted to select targets.


I don't think it is a matter of pride, so much as compatibility. I have a bunch of theories about this. One of them involves the Minmatar Voluval ritual.

The Jovians have excellent standing with the Minmatar Republic. They've fiddled with the Minmatar leader's body and mind, and I suspect that's not the only fiddling they've done. Look at the Voluval from an analytical standpoint. A Shaman injects a candidate with a mysterious solution that interacts with their genes, and portrays their traits on their skin via the Voluval mark.

Now, if I were a superior species running out of ways to multiply, due to a ravaged genetic code, I wouldn't try to repair the damage directly... I'd rather try to culture a fresh, original sample of what the genetic code looked like before I wrecked it with millenia of tampering, and see if it can't be used to somehow inject "fresh blood" into the mix. I'd try to see where the Jovian experiments went wrong, and breed a new generation of Jovians that aren't crippled by their disease.

So, I culture a few breeding pairs of humans as they looked way back when. I seed them on habitable planets throughout space, and encourage them to be fruitful and multiply. Some time later, I introduce a ritual to the primitive culture: without granting them the understanding behind the science of it, I teach them to segregate themselves based on desirable and undesirable traits. In this ritual, an undesirable trait is "a Bad Mark" and leads to exile or execution, limiting the spread of that genetic material, while desirable traits are bestowed with "a Good Mark" - which boosts the desirable individual's social standing and likelihood of propagating his genes.

In short, my theory is that the Minmatar Republic exists as breeding stock for the Jovians. An experiment in cultivating a human body and spirit that will always struggle to improve its lot, regardless of hardship, rather than grow weary of godhood and ennui and slowly plunge into an irreversible and lethal depression, as the Jovians do.

Now, where do I download hot interracial Brutor-on-Jovian porn...


You know there was this Mystery about who the Broker really is (was). Some said he must be Jove, because of his superior Clone Technique. But in The Empyrean Age we read that he in fact did show emptions towards the end at multiple occassions. But we also know Jove don't have emotions anymore. So... He can't be Jove.

BUT with this Jove / Minmatar connection you show here it would also explain why the Broker got the Vitoc into his body, as well as why he suddenly did show a hint of emotion. Very interesting thought.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-12-30 21:44:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Qvar Dar'Zanar
He injected himself with vitoc because it was the only thing that could delay the sickness that was killing him.
This sickness is what is of unknown origin, and why people said that it could be because he is a jovian. The problem with that theory is that he didn't understood at all where this sickness was coming from. If he had been jovian, he would have been very certain of what was that about. Therefore, he wasn't a jove.

BUT, maybe what afflicted him was in fact the jovian disease. How could that be? Well, jovians are known for having cloned themselves forever. The broker also used some unique cloning tech on himself. Couldn't it be that he screwed the same way the joves did so long ago? By itself, the disease he had sounds very much like what we know about the jovian disease.
Asura Twlight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-12-31 20:40:35 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Caldari, Gallente, Amarr... separate cultures in one big petri dish called New Eden. I operate under the assumption that the four races in existence today, are the product of Jovian social engineering in the distant past. The Amarr had their Sefrim in ancient history, the Minmatar received Jovian aid during the rebellion, and more recently, there's the Caldari and the Jovian "gift" of capsules.

I figure it's for a reason. The Jovians appear to be hell-bent on ensuring one thing: balance. They don't want their four pet cultures to start wiping each other out completely. If one is imperiled, the Jovians tip the scales in their favor. They want to preserve the experiment to its conclusion.

This suggests to me that the four younger races of New Eden each represent a human quality the Jovians want to recapture, having lost it along with the rest of their humanity. Perhaps each is an experiment in what gives humans the willpower to go on? The Amarr have their faith, and it makes them strong. The Caldari have their unity, and it makes them strong. The Gallente have their diversity, and the Minmatar have their yearning for freedom and resistance to oppression.

The experiment is almost over.



you speak of balance and them not wanting their test subjects dying but one thing you have not considered is how easy they would be defeated against a single united nation of new eden, as is we are separated and divided busy fighting each other rather unconcerned with the fact that tech possibly thousands of years ahead of our own is in the hands of the jovians,

yes they are ahead of us and could defeat individual nation if they got cocky and tried to assault the jovians but if balance was lost new eden would explode into war a victor would emerge and eventually they would have nothing other than conquest over the jovians as a goal.
the jovians would be unable to face this as they are unable to reproduce. as referred to in posts above they are more closely tied to stargate asgard meaning that their test tube babies are more or less bodies being grown fresh to hold the mind of a jovian who's body is dying of old age or other problems.
thus their remaining population must be kept safe from wars with new eden and death outside of their currently incurable disease.
also note that the eve gate has been for thousands of years emitting dangerous amounts of radiation that could very well of made our races dna FAR from what would be considered a original dna pallet that would be usable to the jovians. finally note that the minmatar are the furthest empire nation from the eve gate, thus the jovians interest in them.

make no mistake the jovians as is are dying a slow and very painful death their race has cancer and is slowly being wiped out, unable to reproduce and unable to cure them self's they are in a last desperate act to draw out their end as long as possible in hopes of curing the disease.
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