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‘Bounty Hunting’ is not Bounty Hunting
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Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-12-31 01:52:08 UTC
No.1 ‘Bounty Hunter’ in Eve at the mo: A Rancer Smartbomber!
NOT working as intended.
Bounty hunting could be a career choice for corps:


Corps pay a scalable weekly license fee to Concord.
This adds you to the BH window in station.
Set time to complete contract or money returned.
Corps can set min fees, area etc.
+/- Feedback and rating system for BH corps.


This would make it a competitive, player run market as it should be in Eve.
So in what ways could this system be abused?

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

masternerdguy
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-12-31 01:57:10 UTC
What have you got against Rancer?

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-12-31 01:58:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ovv Topik
masternerdguy wrote:
What have you got against Rancer?

Nothing. It's just not 'Bounty hunting'. It's Piracy.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#4 - 2012-12-31 02:02:45 UTC
That would just make it a tiresome chore and a needless isk sink.

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Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-12-31 02:05:19 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
That would just make it a tiresome chore and a needless isk sink.

One mans 'tiresome chore' is another mans preferred play style.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

masternerdguy
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-12-31 02:05:33 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
What have you got against Rancer?

Nothing. It's just not 'Bounty hunting'. It's Piracy.


Eye of the beholder.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#7 - 2012-12-31 02:09:36 UTC
The only way a true bounty hunting profession would work in Eve would be if there were two types of bounties. The first being what we have now. Player based bounties which use the current rules.
The second would be NPC placed bounties. Someone is bad enough that Concord decides to make their life a bit more interesting by giving others freedom to blow them up. This is not different from sec status, except that the isk payout gives people a reward for being fast enough to catch the person with the NPC bounty.

Outside of that, a real bounty system would be immediately exploited to turn high-sec into a low-sec free-for-all on anything that undocks.

As it stands, the bounty system is being used more for pranking corp-mates and others than it is for actual bounty hunting.

Profit favors the prepared
Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2012-12-31 02:14:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Revman Zim
Since Retribution I have made millions of ISK from bounties.

I freely admit that I do not bounty hunt as a profession, however, it is nice to get "paid" for PvP.

At least now you have the possibility of making some ISK while risking your ship.
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-12-31 15:31:14 UTC
Revman Zim wrote:
Since Retribution I have made millions of ISK from bounties.

I freely admit that I do not bounty hunt as a profession, however, it is nice to get "paid" for PvP.

At least now you have the possibility of making some ISK while risking your ship.

Exactly my point. Nothing wrong with what retribution turned out to be.
It just didnt turn out to be BH.
I'd like BH to be a career option.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Jenavee De'amore
New LIfe corp
#10 - 2012-12-31 15:39:19 UTC
I like the idea of bounty hunting but obviously it will have to have it's own mechanics to trigger when a bounty can be placed on a player.... Just seems like everyone and their pet dog 'Fido' has a bounty on them at the moment. I got one for talking in Perkone corp chat this one time.

Jena o/
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#11 - 2012-12-31 16:23:18 UTC
Bounty hunting is working fine, the payouts just aren't high enough. 20% is just too low.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2012-12-31 16:30:14 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
No.1 ‘Bounty Hunter’ in Eve at the mo: A Rancer Smartbomber!
NOT working as intended.


Why not? He's killing guys who have bounties on them, and collecting those bounties. In what way, exactly, is this not working as intended?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
FoxBird Freir
Bloomberg Horizont
#13 - 2012-12-31 16:30:20 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Bounty hunting is working fine, the payouts just aren't high enough. 20% is just too low.


yep, i suggest removing the insurance system to fix this. That way bounties could get quite worthwhile and the stupid people dying in missions gets what they deserve. Lol
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#14 - 2012-12-31 16:31:28 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Bounty hunting is working fine, the payouts just aren't high enough. 20% is just too low.


If they were made substantially higher, then it would be economic for the bountee (is that a word? It should be!) to "scrape" the bounty off with insured ships. That's exactly what made the old system worthless.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2012-12-31 16:33:05 UTC
FoxBird Freir wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Bounty hunting is working fine, the payouts just aren't high enough. 20% is just too low.


yep, i suggest removing the insurance system to fix this. That way bounties could get quite worthwhile and the stupid people dying in missions gets what they deserve. Lol


This is a very bad idea, since the only "fix" would be to reduce insurance paid by PEND, who are in no way involved with bounties. Why should I get less insurance from my ship loss because someone else has decided to put a bounty on me?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#16 - 2012-12-31 16:35:18 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Bounty hunting is working fine, the payouts just aren't high enough. 20% is just too low.


If they were made substantially higher, then it would be economic for the bountee (is that a word? It should be!) to "scrape" the bounty off with insured ships. That's exactly what made the old system worthless.


Yea, I know. We already had this discussion in your original thread in the Assembly hall. I'm not talking about raising it high enough to be exploitable. I'm talking about raising it by 5% every couple of months and see how it goes. As it stands, mathematically, I can't see any way of exploiting it except in very high percentages, like 50%+.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-12-31 16:35:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Ovv Topik
Malcanis wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
No.1 ‘Bounty Hunter’ in Eve at the mo: A Rancer Smartbomber!
NOT working as intended.


Why not? He's killing guys who have bounties on them, and collecting those bounties. In what way, exactly, is this not working as intended?

He just sits on the gate spamming smartbombs on Noob ships, shuttles and whatever happens to warp to him.

And good luck to him! But he's not a BH. He's a Pirate.

I just think a 'contract hit man' system where strategy and tactics puts you at no.1 would be an improvement.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

FoxBird Freir
Bloomberg Horizont
#18 - 2012-12-31 17:24:16 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
FoxBird Freir wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Bounty hunting is working fine, the payouts just aren't high enough. 20% is just too low.


yep, i suggest removing the insurance system to fix this. That way bounties could get quite worthwhile and the stupid people dying in missions gets what they deserve. Lol


This is a very bad idea, since the only "fix" would be to reduce insurance paid by PEND, who are in no way involved with bounties. Why should I get less insurance from my ship loss because someone else has decided to put a bounty on me?


i think you missunderstood, removing the system as a whole, people with and without. Most people losing ships on a regular basis gets shiploss support from their corp anyway.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#19 - 2012-12-31 17:27:02 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
No.1 ‘Bounty Hunter’ in Eve at the mo: A Rancer Smartbomber!
NOT working as intended.


Until gate camps stop being the #1 PvP activity, i'm afraid it is intended.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#20 - 2012-12-31 17:53:25 UTC
What would be cool, and what I vaguely remember being talked about for retribution a few months ago, was 'kill contracts'.

Basically these were kinda like the system we have now, but paid at a much higher rate and you would assign the hit to actual bounty hunter players / corps.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
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