EVE General Discussion

So aside from the fact that its made killing things with drone nearly impossible, along with turrets and soon to be missiles when they can be affected by tracking disruptors, what was the biggest hit that the new AI changes have hurt?

New players

How you might ask?

Lets say someone is very new to the game, maybe has a cruiser with one or two lasers and is somewhat interested in this game (god knows why). Well, you're a l4 mission runner, or lets say you're a null-sec denizen and you managed to get them to join you. In the past, what would you have done? "Hey my newbro friend, why don't you come join me in this mission/sanctum. You can see what this will be like when you get bigger, milk a bit off of my bounties, salvage a few wrecks, and have a good time with me while we chill."

Now?

Sure, have him warp to a mission or complex to die in a matter of seconds. Now these new players are resorted to doing silly little l1-l2 missions, or waiting patiently in a noctis to hoover up a site. You're really telling me thats the best way to get hooked on this game?

And I don't want to hear anything about "They need to put in the time to get sp to do those missions." If it wasn't for the older players of this game showing how this game can actually be somewhat fun, or bringing on a newbro friend just to see them oooo and aaaahhh over things you've grinded 5000 different times, what would be the point?

I'm sorry, but with all the nerfing CCP has done in the past, from sec status to everything else to make isk harder and harder to obtain, how do they think this is going to affect new players who want to explore this universe? Lets make drone boats useless, TD's right now are killing turrets and soon they'll kill missiles. Go try to gank someone in a mission/sanctum and use ewar, and just watch what happens as your ship pops. But inadvertently messing with the newer players? Yea...

GTFO.

Missions didn't change. Nothing is more interesting.



Ya, that's why every nullbear crys about "nerf hi-sec". Rait.

At least 50% of hi-sec people do missions. And Hi-sec people are like 80% of this game.

Missions did change, however tiny the change was. It's not the 'autopilot' activity it was before Retribution.

As for missions being a tiny part: They are, even if you don't want to see that. Missions are one of the thousands of things you can do in the game. That so many people have the imagination of a comatose brick wall is deplorable, but it doesn't change that fact. If people choose the monotony of replaying that tiny content bit over and over, that's their choice, whining about it doesn't make their missing the point of the game less relevant.

That said, 99% of statistics on the internet are made up on the spot and i doubt yours is an exception.

Not true. Missions are now a little bit more engaging as I have to actively manage my drones to keep them alive. I do wish they would change missions even more, change things around from DT to DT, introduce new missions, take others away keep us mission runners on our toes... the one thing I hate most is being able to go onto a web site and read a detailed account of what the mission entails, how to tank it what damage type to dish out, who the triggers are... mix it all up CCP get my pulse going again when I warp into a mission not knowing what to expect!

Nobody mentioned how it reflects PvP.
That's the new CFC fleet doctrine. A Single Rail Gun Rokh with 5 ECM.

now missions are really exciting

I can only watch my shields melt and drones vaporize. It keeps me concentrated, I curse a lot when I buy new drones at station. But it has never been as challenging ever before.

And I appreciate that NPC have courtesy of attacking random gankers, who enter my complex. It is only fair when unwelcome guests get equal treatment by NPCs.

Also, NPCs learnt to tank a lot better. They repair themselves at a steady rate.

So far, the only counter to TD - SENTRY drone Domi, SENTRY drone ISHTAR. Tried and tested, sentries get hate, but do not vaporize as bad as lights.

The notion that because a player new that also must mean he's a full-on moron is hilarious, condescending and quite wrong. Anyone with half a brain can understand the concept of npc AI changing targets so don't use it as an excuse to try to revert back changes lazy morons can't cope with.

I think these changes hurt old settled in highsec carebear vets more than anything. New players will cope just fine.

If you dont know how to do missions with Domi ,than I just hope you are better in PVP.

Domi with MJD+sentries is simply great now with new AI.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au0Fcnjrgis how hard is this ?As pvp player you check forums I guess to see changes in new meta ,or to adapt to it.What is problem to adapt on new AI changes?

New AI as much people call it bad ,gave them something that most of them dont say at all.When someone enter you missions space he will think about it cause he can take aggro too.I guess that is bad also ?

How to bring in newbs with your missions:

1) Kill all elite frigs and cruisers
2) call in newb

also make sure the newb has a semi decent tank and maybe try bringing a little logi, the logi itself should be enough reason that they ignore the newb altogether.