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New server type Part X

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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-12-30 23:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
No thanks.

And besides some could argue that you already have that on the current server.
And they wouldn't be wrong either.
There are lots of players who have never seen a war or anyone ganked during there entire stay in EVE.
Tomar Martens
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-12-30 23:59:11 UTC
Tippia wrote:

[SNIP] It's not only the attraction — it's what makes the game possible. It would require a complete re-write to have it work in any other way and not be completely meaningless. Again, what you're asking for is the X series — if you want to see it implemented with EVE assets, look at the test servers for a real-world sample of how popular it would be.

Thanks for this - I DO kinda like the X games Blink

I'm interested in the test server - but not sure if it is a good test of popularity as I didn't know how it worked before this thread, so suspect that folks 'out there' would also have no idea.

However - re " it's what makes the game possible" - I can see your point there.
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#23 - 2012-12-31 00:15:37 UTC
Tomar Martens wrote:


1) Who here would move completely to the new server?

2) How many new players do you think this would attract? On many other fora there seem to be lots of folks who like the look of Eve, the mechanics, but just don't go for PvP. Let's face it, this is the best space sim out there.




1) I imagine the number would be large, but the new server would just shrivel up and die within few months.

2) It wouldn't attract any more new players than eve currently does.


3) A new, pvp free (or limited pvp) server would only expose the utter mind numbing terribleness of eve pve. See for example how many people right now are on the test server mining/ratting for the love of it. Or even doing any industry.
Etherealclams
#24 - 2012-12-31 00:40:06 UTC
No. Just.. no.

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Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#25 - 2012-12-31 01:15:00 UTC
so you want to do away with one of the main draws to this game? a single-shard universe is why many of us have remained here for years and years. non-consensual pvp is what makes this game exciting. i'm no pvp'er but i love matching wits with passionate sci-fi fans all over the world. as other's have mentioned, if you want a safe place to play, download the test server client. if memory serves, there are designated PVP systems there. you can mine or shoot red crosses all you want, without any risk.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#26 - 2012-12-31 02:27:43 UTC
Tomar Martens wrote:
Hmm - maybe it bears repeating:

1) Who here would move completely to the new server?

2) How many new players do you think this would attract?

While I appreciate repeated carebear comments as much as the next person, I am curious about folks' thoughts on those 2 questions Smile



See, that's just annoying. You're making an assumption that many people on these forums agree with your PoV and you are wrong. Your question isn't likely to be answered because I don't think there are a great many players in EVE who agree with it in any way shape or form.

Don't be arrogant. You're going to get responses to the contrary and you should expect that. Those are the opinions of the playerbase here on the forums. You can't exclude them or ignore them because they don't happen to agree with you, because they are the ones proffering the opinions which happen to contradict the answers you came here looking for.

So far, I think every one has been pretty nice; maybe you should take their opinions into consideration instead of sitting behind a false wall of elitism and pretending they don't exist or are maybe-stupid as this post suggests you think.
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Horatius Caul
Kitzless
#27 - 2012-12-31 03:02:50 UTC
Tomar Martens wrote:

In what way is my post inflammatory,

You're questioning an integral part of what makes the game function. If you had actually taken the time to research your question or testing the pulse of the community before posting, maybe you would have understood what type of reaction it would cause.

Tomar Martens wrote:
extraneous,

There have been hundreds of threads suggesting additional shards. People are sick and tired of having to explain why it's a dumb idea.

Tomar Martens wrote:
or off-topic?

EVE is a single-shard game. That's kinda its defining feature. Talking about a hypothetical multi-shard EVE is pointless.

Tomar Martens wrote:
I don't want 'feeding' - just thoughts on my 2 questions.
To anyone who has spent more than a few months on the forums, you do look very much like a troll, and your incessant insisting of the contrary is only making it worse.


Let me see if I can explain the issue...

EVE is a single-shard game. That is pretty much its single biggest unique selling point. There aren't a whole lot of single-shard games out there, and I dare say none that do it as ambitiously as EVE. Most of EVE's meta-mechanics, such as the market, map painting, bloc warfare, and industrial consumption, relies entirely on having a single highly active server. EVE's second major unique selling point is lawlessness, and the idea that nowhere is safe.

To create not only a new live server, but a new server where PVP was strictly regulated, would in a single decision undo both of EVE's biggest unique selling points. In an instant after the press release, there would be nothing special about EVE except its difficulty and crappy user interface.

In addition, the new safe server would require new code, to enforce the new PVP system, and it would require dedicated staff (or at the very least man-hours equivalent in cost to additional staff) to run it, service it, and upgrade it. GM and administration tools would have to be re-written to deal with two live servers. All of this is time and money that would be taken out of Tranquility's pockets. Every single dollar spent on the new server would be a dollar that could have been spent making Tranquility better, faster, bigger.

A more interesting question would be: why do you think this is a valid idea? Why on earth should we give such a boneheaded suggestion a second glance, when it has been pounded into the dirt repeatedly?
Frying Doom
#28 - 2012-12-31 03:05:22 UTC
oh god, not this thread again?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#29 - 2012-12-31 03:20:12 UTC
I propose a new thread rule. I propose the rule for this thread be changed to not keeping it clean. At all. You filthy **********ing ****suckers.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Karloth Valois
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
The New Eden Yacht Club.
#30 - 2012-12-31 03:26:53 UTC
Tomar Martens wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
eve pve content is pretty horrid. that's not going to draw players.


But there would still be all the PvP you could want in 0.4 and below, or is it the chance of PvP anytime that is the attraction?


(I wasnt going to answer but **** it i'll answer both of your questions)


There wouldnt be any PVP in 0.4 and below, because the people that live in low, null or 0.0 have it already so dont need to move server. The only people that would move are a few people in highsec that never leave highsec and never PVP. So question 1) no

The market would die within days as so little gets blown up in PvE and because the only people that would move rarely if ever leave highsec, you would have no tech2, tech3 or highend minerals.

And as for attracting new players...no, some maybe, but they are mostly the people that wouldnt last long in eve anyway. Most people given the choice when deciding to play eve what serve to pick would go for the large active server that has all those fun stories of wars and player driven content like burn jita and hulkagedon that draw people to eve, were they can still remain safe(ish) in highsec until they want to or are ready to leave instead of a new server with no player content as none of the people that make that content left the current PvP server. So question 2) very few

It's not been nice, but thanks for using lube

Katie Frost
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-12-31 03:30:09 UTC
Tomar Martens wrote:
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Note: Please try and keep on topic and not diverge off into rants about carebears, ganking and the like; we have seen that all before and don't need a repeat.


If you have "seen it all before", why do you bother asking the same, mundane and troll-provoking question again? It's not original. It has been answered many times before. Therefore, your topic serves a single purpose: to get a rise out of people, and can be at best considered a troll itself. So, why the surprise at the responses you are getting?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#32 - 2012-12-31 03:37:52 UTC
You consent to PvP when you log in.

And as someone who makes his isk by making stuff, that's the way I like it. The market would be next to non-existant if people weren't blowing each other up.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#33 - 2012-12-31 04:36:15 UTC
Tomar Martens wrote:
Hey all. Thread rule = keep it clean.

OK - I have read some of the threads about new server shards, and was curious about the idea of a consensual PvP server. What I had in mind was something exactly like the current one, except:

PvP only allowed in lowsec (0.4 and below)

That's it.

My questions are:

1) Who here would move completely to the new server?

2) How many new players do you think this would attract? On many other fora there seem to be lots of folks who like the look of Eve, the mechanics, but just don't go for PvP. Let's face it, this is the best space sim out there.

Note: Please try and keep on topic and not diverge off into rants about carebears, ganking and the like; we have seen that all before and don't need a repeat.

My answers:

1) I would

2) A lot



The consensual PvP server is named Tranquility, the server that you need permission to PvP on is called Singularity. Hope this helps!

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Rain6635
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2012-12-31 05:47:14 UTC
Qolde wrote:
YES EXACTLY THIS! AND WE SHOULD HAVE A WAY TO OFFER TEA AND CRUMPETS AFTER OUR GLORIOUS HONOR FILLED DUEL!
dont feed the trolls.


tea and crumpets... thanks. now i'm hungry

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No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#35 - 2012-12-31 06:05:20 UTC
Absolutely not. Single shard pvp everywhere is what makes EVE great. Anything else is questing, gathering, crafting and instanced pvp clone #2614

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Reiisha
#36 - 2012-12-31 06:53:10 UTC
Tomar Martens wrote:
Hey all. Thread rule = keep it clean.

OK - I have read some of the threads about new server shards, and was curious about the idea of a consensual PvP server. What I had in mind was something exactly like the current one, except:

PvP only allowed in lowsec (0.4 and below)

That's it.

My questions are:

1) Who here would move completely to the new server?

2) How many new players do you think this would attract? On many other fora there seem to be lots of folks who like the look of Eve, the mechanics, but just don't go for PvP. Let's face it, this is the best space sim out there.

Note: Please try and keep on topic and not diverge off into rants about carebears, ganking and the like; we have seen that all before and don't need a repeat.

My answers:

1) I would

2) A lot



Ultima Online tried this by adding Trammel.

It's population halved overnight and the game never really recovered.




EVE cannot function in any other way than it does now. If you can't see this or accept this, you are playing the wrong game.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Khador Vess
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2012-12-31 11:58:53 UTC
EvE is a PVP Game no matter what you think. I started out with my original alt a total carebear saying i just wont play their PVP bit of the game.... and then i got fumped... EvE is PVP no matter what you say, there is no way to take what is quintessentially eve and remove the PVP aspect and not have it all collapse...

How many time can you rescue the damsel in distress or run through some random anomoly that causes 'invisible rays' to damage your ship before your brain shrivels, atrophy's and dies... how long can you sit and stare at rocks before your mind addles... for me about 5 minutes now after trying PVP....

If that's your idea of fun then fine but bear in mind that there is consensual AND non consensual PVP that is an integral part of the game... Dont fly what you cant afford to lose... ever, when you undock it and assume its gone... if it comes back its a bonus...

And just on a tangent slightly, in real life, having spent a month scraping and saving to buy a shiny new phone, would you then immediately wander round the streets flashing it off? I doubt it, so why do people do the same in eve, they buy stuff, ships and then wander round even the high class areas as though there are no thieves and scum in the world... last time i checked you could get mugged in Kensington and Chelsea just as you can in Camden town
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#38 - 2012-12-31 12:18:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Gore
Creating a PVE server would be the biggest mistake CCP could ever make.

Thousands and thousands of players would move to the PVE server. Droves of new players would start EVE on the shiny new PVE server.


And then, in two months time, all of them would be bored to tears and unsub. End of story.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#39 - 2012-12-31 12:22:09 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nope, if you want a non pvp server, use the test server.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Ghazu
#40 - 2012-12-31 12:29:14 UTC
gas this thread. There shall be no other shard, not goddamn ever.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

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