EVE General Discussion

We don't give two short ***** where the "Highbears" want to play. If they want to stay in hi-sec, more power to them! What we'd like is for it to be actually to our advantage to have our hi-sec alts in the space that we own.

That OK with you?

What's stopping you?

Only ourselves. I think even the dissenters are realizing what's possible. Now is the time to leverage our total control of the supply of t2 materials. Let us make the game better for ourselves. We can at least move to lowsec. Jeez it ain't harder than flying through 0.0 in a solo carrier or battleship.

No reason the main trade hub for nullsec sourced materials needs to be in highsec.

I'll go wherever the market is.

game design

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2388661#post2388661

CCP ended our 0.0 dream before it even truly began.

so, you still have not understood that it is not a problem with peoples minds, but a game design problem ? that is pretty impressive

What part of "The system of Nonni in Lonetrek has more production capability than any sov 0.0 region" is difficult for you to understand?

this.

Very long story somewhat short, (some of) the "not from highsec" material producers COULD (at least theoretically) agree to NOT sell in highsec.
Depending on just how many people agree to participate, their market share, and the time they're willing to go along with it, the following things might happen (and a lot of things in between):

(a) practically next to nothing if only a handful of people do it for a short while (the most likely realistic option)

(b) a noticeable but not critical amount of people doing it for a decently long but not really that significant while -> highsec prices would go up a bit while non-highsec prices will go down a bit, and (third party) people will simply start running actual trade routes (from non-highsec to highsec, and in particular Jita), with some of the losses of materials to non-highsec ganks ever so slightly assisting a longer period of time until all remaining material producers get fed up with the lower profits and resume shipping directly to Jita for sales -> this could BORDERLINE happen, but I wouldn't hold my breath

(c) a slight simple majority by volume (but overwhelming majority by player count) doing it for a noticeable amount of time -> initially same as above, but much longer lived, and eventually with less of a price discrepancy IN TIME. "High risk hauling" becomes a fairly decent profession, and non-highsec producers won't really be bothered by the lack of extra profits if they don't need to go through the hassle of complete hauling themselves. Some smaller lowsec hubs on the edge of 0.0 space might see the light of day in time, but it still won't compare to Jita -> this is HIGHLY IMPROBABLE, to say the least

(d) almost all non-highsec producers doing it for a very long time -> somewhat similar to the above, but the price differential is a bit greater, more and slightly better-stocked lowsec hubs spring up, and actual Jita trade volume drops noticeably -> this is a completely unrealistic expectation, has almost no chance whatsoever of ever happening UNLESS a lot of other things change as far as "the flow of resources" is concerned (i.e. something that makes large-scale transport far more dangerous and time consuming than it is now)


The only REALISTIC way anything similar MIGHT ever happen is if a VERY large non-highsec alliance (or coalition of alliances) takes it upon themselves to almost completely cut themselves off from the rest of the game from a base-level economic standpoint and decide to only sell end-user-level completely processed products instead of ever selling the unprocessed or only slightly processed materials.

Basically, it most likely won't happen, and if anything will actually happen, it will probably be akin to a drop of water in a large bucket.