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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2012-12-31 02:11:08 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

A third party external news site is a business like any other, they are there to provide news and attempt to make money, if not why do they all have so many ads?


They make money either way, why do they need to be recognized or given a cookie for potentially hurting a bot hunt?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#122 - 2012-12-31 02:12:10 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
riverini wrote:


I first broke the "core ****" to Sreegs early in December.

The tip was more or less like this:
- Check out Blood and Sands
- Gummi Worm ****
- TEST / PL might be involved.

Yet I promised him the full exposure after we were done with the article, we had sent the full logs past Wednesday.

Regarding CCP Sreegs telling us to that we should have waited for him to act might be too much for us. We gave him a heads up, we sent the logs on Dec 26th.

Keep in mind CCP Sreegs, while grateful of any help we could give him regarding EULA violations, he has always been clear that he nor CCP Games will not disclose any actions taken toward those infractors. So we could have waited 1 day, 1 week or 1 month and it wouldn't had made any difference for us given than there is no feedback from CCP if we should keep tabs on things or not.

I do disagree with CCP Sreegs saying that us "blowing the beans" would be a step back given that people would simply stop botting activity. If for him it is strictly necessary to caught the offenders "in blazing offence", then he should close shop and rethink his approach against botters.

R

So why do you feel the need to help botters by letting them know CCP may be onto them?

Maybe he's discreetly trying to help them... to turn over a new non-botting leaf, of course :v:

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#123 - 2012-12-31 02:12:59 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

A third party external news site is a business like any other, they are there to provide news and attempt to make money, if not why do they all have so many ads?


They make money either way, why do they need to be recognized or given a cookie for potentially hurting a bot hunt?

A cookie is work a thousand spacebux

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2012-12-31 02:13:56 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Maybe he's discreetly trying to help them... to turn over a new non-botting leaf, of course :v:


Now that would be a story, rehabilitating botters. Yet instead we decide to give them a warning that the cops are coming Ugh.

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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#125 - 2012-12-31 02:14:07 UTC
Wouldn't surprise me if all the 0.0 power blocks botted in one form or another. I mean, why wouldn't they? All that claimed space that is hardly used needs to generate income some how.
Peter the Hermit
Doomheim
#126 - 2012-12-31 02:14:07 UTC
...and I didn't know 'til this day that riverini was a Goon the whole time.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#127 - 2012-12-31 02:16:22 UTC
Peter the Hermit wrote:
...and I didn't know 'til this day that riverini was a Goon the whole time.

A bigger blow to his credibility than a giant story about botters.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2012-12-31 02:16:51 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me if all the 0.0 power blocks botted in one form or another. I mean, why wouldn't they? All that claimed space that is hardly used needs to generate income some how.


I agree but to have the audacity to inadvertently warn the botters is borderline criminal.

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Frying Doom
#129 - 2012-12-31 02:17:49 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

A third party external news site is a business like any other, they are there to provide news and attempt to make money, if not why do they all have so many ads?


They make money either way, why do they need to be recognized or given a cookie for potentially hurting a bot hunt?

So you have never come across a business that likes free advertising? Must be nice to live in the middle of AntarcticaLol

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2012-12-31 02:18:20 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Peter the Hermit wrote:
...and I didn't know 'til this day that riverini was a Goon the whole time.

A bigger blow to his credibility than a giant story about botters.


They through their credibility away a long time ago, the only purpose they serve now is to inflame problems as can be seen here.

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#131 - 2012-12-31 02:18:53 UTC
Well, to be honest, I think these conversations were supposed to have taken place back in October, so all this has long since happened and the final transactions would have already occurred with the ISK being cleaned for processing from those Titans.

Yes, I read the article, all of it; that would be the second article EN24 has written that I've read in the past 3 years.

If any of it is to be believed, then CCP should have record of APIs sent to them by Montolio from some previous botters well before the events that led to this. Also, one has to ask why he failed to collect and dispense that information to CCP when he had the opportunity, rather than waiting until Riverini interviewed him before saying he had been meaning to, well after he had presumably collected this data.

His statement of trust in the article, (again, if any of this is to be believed and is not presumed to be fabricated), is that he must have all the APIs of the individual in question, and this is apparently required with his trust of the other Corp in Tribe that apparently bots. He states that he has control of them, and they are trustworthy as a result of that.

Does this then mean that he holds to the APIs to leverage that trust; that it is through them that he has control because of what he can do with them?

Is all of it fabricated? Why does Riverini ask that guy in the other section who a trustworthy RMT--"duder"--is, that can provide him with some good RMT cash? How is it that he just happens to get a name, just like that, from an individual that claims, (I'm making an assumption here because of the inarticulate nature of that section of the article), not to use RMT?

What was that all about anyway? I didn't see the correlation with the rest of the article; it just seemed to be tacked on at the end willy-nilly.

Horus is apparently prepping for the final stage of the reveal in that last convo, or he honestly doesn't bot anymore. I'm not really sure which.

Why was that one person edited out? ..or maybe it was two?

Very strange sort of article anyway.

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Frying Doom
#132 - 2012-12-31 02:19:15 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me if all the 0.0 power blocks botted in one form or another. I mean, why wouldn't they? All that claimed space that is hardly used needs to generate income some how.

No some of them get CCP supported welfare checks so they are fine.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2012-12-31 02:19:23 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

So you have never come across a business that likes free advertising? Must be nice to live in the middle of AntarcticaLol


There is such a thing as negative attention, I'm sure you're aware of it. I don't think I'd want to be known as the website that unintentionally helps bots.

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Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#134 - 2012-12-31 02:19:27 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Oh I also want to mention in case anyone is paying attention that if you really care about this issue this is the polar opposite of how to get a result.

We'll use the security world as an example because that's what I'm most familiar with. If I discover a vulnerability on a website it is completely irresponsible for me to go and publish that vulnerability in the public without first notifying the responsible parties and giving them time to act.

In this case you're basically telling these people someone's watching them and you think they'll continue doing bad things if they think we're going to look into this?

This is completely irresponsible and in the future if you honestly care about an issue you will report it to me and give us time to look into it before telling the world about it. I'm not saying not to write about it at all, but saying we've been notified and publishing all the potatoes without giving us an opportunity to look into it is more than a bit disingenuous.

I think that the biggest problem here is the lack or credit that any news web site can then give for example

We ratted these people out to CCP a month ago and then because of the information we provided 32 people were permabanned with CCP confiscating 2.1 trillion isk ect, ect,

So they don't really get that added incentive to hold of on a story, much like real life news media generally do not hold off.

So maybe like the forums processes need to be more transparent when it comes to complaints made against ISDs so to do all the other rulings, it is not after all like anyone's actual name is being used and in EvE actions are meant to have consequences, so yes it would be nice to know when you are letting someone into your cop if they have received previous punishments for RMTing or botting.

But you may feel free to now call me a nut job as I would like transparency in the process.




Yep we need to know who the banned botters are. Name em. It's not like they own the name, CCP owns everything.

I too have ratted out a bunch of botters and have no clue as to the results. Why the big secret?

Not being a hacking/scripting whiz, I am also curious how checking the servers is gonna expose a client side "injection"?

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2012-12-31 02:20:21 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me if all the 0.0 power blocks botted in one form or another. I mean, why wouldn't they? All that claimed space that is hardly used needs to generate income some how.

No some of them get CCP supported welfare checks so they are fine.


Space Obama extended my unemployment, gave me a free cellphone, and increased my Access benefits by 500$. I lurv them space government entitlement programs.

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Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-12-31 02:21:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
La Nariz wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me if all the 0.0 power blocks botted in one form or another. I mean, why wouldn't they? All that claimed space that is hardly used needs to generate income some how.


I agree but to have the audacity to inadvertently warn the botters is borderline criminal.


at last he reports them.
What does the Mittani do? The mittani tells everyone not to report friendly bots.
So tell me who does the most damage here, the one that reports them or the one that tells everyone not to report them!?

Or have we forgotten. You can give me a million resons like we want no drama or other but when your own leader say to do nothing but report the enemies, who is the hypocrite here? Effectivelly providing a safe heaven to botters!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2012-12-31 02:22:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Maybe he's discreetly trying to help them... to turn over a new non-botting leaf, of course :v:


riverini is in NCdot

Horus used to be in NCdot

Toss that together with some anonymous IRC logs and baby, you've got a stew dumb conspiracy EN24 article going!

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Frying Doom
#138 - 2012-12-31 02:22:28 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I Love Boobies wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me if all the 0.0 power blocks botted in one form or another. I mean, why wouldn't they? All that claimed space that is hardly used needs to generate income some how.

No some of them get CCP supported welfare checks so they are fine.


Space Obama extended my unemployment, gave me a free cellphone, and increased my Access benefits by 500$. I lurv them space government entitlement programs.

Ok I have no idea what Access benefits are but I am sure the unemployment departments coffers are starting to run dry.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2012-12-31 02:24:06 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
at last he reports them.
What does the Mittani do? The mittani tells everyone not to report friendly bots.
So tell me who does the most damage here, the one that reports them or the one that tells everyone not to report them!?

Or have we forgotten. You can give me a million resons like we want no drama or other but when your own leader say to do nothing but report the enemies, who is the hypocrite here? Effectivelly providing a safe heaven to botters!


We report bots all the time, I've done it plenty of times in Jita where the majority of them are. We don't warn them that CCP is on to them like riverini does.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#140 - 2012-12-31 02:24:12 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Maybe he's discreetly trying to help them... to turn over a new non-botting leaf, of course :v:


riverini is in NCdot

Horus used to be in NCdot

Toss that together with some anonymous IRC logs and baby, you've got a stew dumb conspiracy EN24 article going!

Punishing people that leave NC. ? I though -A- didn't forgive.

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