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Can I find out who put a bounty on me?

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CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#21 - 2012-12-30 01:36:13 UTC
Etherealclams wrote:
Nastasjjia wrote:
He's right...

I was in Hek the other day and a player put bounties on so many people in system, he was the focal point of local chat for about 30 minutes. He must have spent millions just putting random bounties on random people...

There should be the requirement that in order to place a bounty a player must have popped your ship, flipped your can, messed with your corpies, or war-decced your corp/alliance.

Not the ability to just place bounties on people for sh1tz and giggles. Its such an annoying trend that this is probably the 5th thread I've seen on the subject so far.


There's nothing they can do about it. IMO the only way to fix this whole "bounty for ***** and giggles" Is to have bounties degrade over time. It would have to depend on the amount of the bounty as well, you can't expect people to put a 1 bil bounty on someone if it degrades ( idk 10%? ) a month for a flat rate on all bounties.

Something like this could possibly work:

0-100 mil bounties degrade to 0 over a month. few mil every day
100-500 mil bounties over 6 months. Few mil every week
500-1b+ over a year. These would only degrade a few mil every day? week? Someone do the math for me.

Once a say 550 mil bounty gets to 500 mil it decays more every time. Same for when it gets to 100 mil.

Now this is just a rough idea, nothing that was well thought out. But imo something should be done about the random bounties. I know a bounty doesn't really mean anything other than a reward for your killer, you can't be attacked in hi-sec or anything like that. It's just the fact that everyone will have a bounty on their heads.. it just seems silly.



i didn't have the time to fully digest your essay. i 'scanned' and summarised the key points:

I was...Something...sh1tz
Nastasjjia
The xPlicit Method
#22 - 2012-12-30 02:02:50 UTC
Why is it that I've played for YEARS now... killed dozens of pilots in many wars and unfortunate circumstances... and this is the first time I've had a bounty put on me?

The new bounty system is a greifing tool and nothing else. The new expansion is beautiful, except for this one aspect.

These guys sit there scrolling through local chat just looking for people to place a bounty on, just because they didn't have one yet. Its not because anything was actually done to wrong them. It's simply to be a fakken Douche-Bag Big smile

But they're idiots in my honest opinion. I got wayyyy better things to spend my ISK on other than annoying innocent people.

A  blonde with P.M.S. and a Vindicator is the most powerful force in Eve. Screw the DoomsDay Device. She just figured out how to make blaster rounds out of Estrogen...

Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2012-12-30 04:54:45 UTC
Nastasjjia wrote:
He's right...

I was in Hek the other day and a player put bounties on so many people in system, he was the focal point of local chat for about 30 minutes. He must have spent millions just putting random bounties on random people...

There should be the requirement that in order to place a bounty a player must have popped your ship, flipped your can, messed with your corpies, or war-decced your corp/alliance.

Not the ability to just place bounties on people for sh1tz and giggles. Its such an annoying trend that this is probably the 5th thread I've seen on the subject so far.



Nastasjjia wrote:
Why is it that I've played for YEARS now... killed dozens of pilots in many wars and unfortunate circumstances... and this is the first time I've had a bounty put on me?

The new bounty system is a greifing tool and nothing else. The new expansion is beautiful, except for this one aspect.

These guys sit there scrolling through local chat just looking for people to place a bounty on, just because they didn't have one yet. Its not because anything was actually done to wrong them. It's simply to be a fakken Douche-Bag Big smile

But they're idiots in my honest opinion. I got wayyyy better things to spend my ISK on other than annoying innocent people.

Even if it's being used as a form of griefing, it is still within the rules and game mechanics. I logged on a little while ago just to put a bounty on ever single character in system that did not already have one... came to about 35. That cost me a staggering 3.5m isk. As far as limiting to who and when you can place bounties... No, it's fine. This is the way it should be and changing it now would defeat the purpose.

The point I'm trying to make is.. this is how it is now, get used to it. No one is too privileged. You want to take it a step further rather than complain on the forums, try some emergent gameplay(not saying you haven't before) and get a group of the people angry with this char together and gank him. And if he's an alt that never leaves station, then that sucks.. better luck next time.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet

Nastasjjia
The xPlicit Method
#24 - 2012-12-30 05:38:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Nastasjjia
Doug Dredd wrote:
I don't understand the problem with the bounty system, I think it is pretty great.

Yes a bounty should be able to be placed on anyone. It allows a small revenge for anything that annoys people, not limited to game actions that you want it limited to.

Besides, it is only a 20% bonus to the attackers over what they would have inflicted in terms of damage on you with whatever you are flying. The total pool doesn't really mean much aside for how many times that bonus can exist in your deaths. I got a 100k bounty on me, which would probably be good for a death or two in my rifter.

Is anyone really getting attacked frequently due to bounties anyway?


Exactly.

Nobody's getting attacked from the new bounty system anyways. Which indicates its broken. Still... Blink

It's not actually creating a viable career choice in Eve to punish the wrong-doer's that Concord can't insta-pop. It's instead being used to annoy and grief people.

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I logged on a little while ago just to put a bounty on ever single character in system that did not already have one... came to about 35. That cost me a staggering 3.5m isk.


And I rest my case. People place bounties just for sh1tz and giggles. Proof from the horses mouth.

At this rate EVERY player in game will have a bounty.

CCP just created something more viral that the ILOVEYOU virus...

A  blonde with P.M.S. and a Vindicator is the most powerful force in Eve. Screw the DoomsDay Device. She just figured out how to make blaster rounds out of Estrogen...

Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2012-12-30 07:33:20 UTC
Nastasjjia wrote:

And I rest my case. People place bounties just for sh1tz and giggles. Proof from the horses mouth.

At this rate EVERY player in game will have a bounty.

CCP just created something more viral that the ILOVEYOU virus...


And?

I was going to quote it, but decided to let you do a little work.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=184142&p=2

This is working as intended.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet

Nastasjjia
The xPlicit Method
#26 - 2012-12-30 07:45:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Nastasjjia
Capt Starfox wrote:
Nastasjjia wrote:

And I rest my case. People place bounties just for sh1tz and giggles. Proof from the horses mouth.

At this rate EVERY player in game will have a bounty.

CCP just created something more viral that the ILOVEYOU virus...


And?

I was going to quote it, but decided to let you do a little work.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=184142&p=2

This is working as intended.


I fail to see your point. Its yet another thread full of slightly ticked off players who don't seem to like the system at all, and claim it doesn't work. Probably the 5th one I've seen so far. I

So because one of CCP's developers likes it, it ain't broken? I should hope he likes it... he came up with it! Big smile

He also contributed to coming up with the idea of neutral RR's... insurance fraud via self destruct, and many, many moons ago... Concord hunting. Shocked

That doesn't mean it's working Dude... everything else is awesome in Retribution... but I'll bet good money CCP will patch the bounty system sometime...

A  blonde with P.M.S. and a Vindicator is the most powerful force in Eve. Screw the DoomsDay Device. She just figured out how to make blaster rounds out of Estrogen...

Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2012-12-30 08:00:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Starfox
Nastasjjia wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
Nastasjjia wrote:

And I rest my case. People place bounties just for sh1tz and giggles. Proof from the horses mouth.

At this rate EVERY player in game will have a bounty.

CCP just created something more viral that the ILOVEYOU virus...


And?

I was going to quote it, but decided to let you do a little work.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=184142&p=2

This is working as intended.


I fail to see your point. Its yet another thread full of slightly ticked off players who don't seem to like the system at all, and claim it doesn't work. Probably the 5th one I've seen so far. I

So because one of CCP's developers likes it, it ain't broken? I should hope he likes it... he came up with it! Big smile

He also contributed to coming up with the idea of neutral RR's... insurance fraud via self destruct, and many, many moons ago... Concord hunting. Shocked

That doesn't mean it's working Dude...

I could care less about everything you just mentioned that isn't about the Bounty system, because that's what we're talking about. With that said, you can place a "bounty" on your neighbor if you wanted to, so why not within this game that is driven by a harsh environment. Furthermore, being able to place bounties on anyone and everyone regardless of sec-status makes complete sense. It works well with what this game boils down to, PvP. Someone plssed you off... Mined the same asteroid you did... Undercut you wayyy too much... Trolled on the forums... Ganked you... Talked some smack in Local... Let's not forget the all favorite, ... Random bounty placement on people who care too much... This makes sense, the ability to place bounties on anyone and everyone for whatever reason and should have been implemented a long time ago. Now being a Bounty Hunter as an actual profession within this game... yeah, that needs some work. Most, if not all of the bounties being collected due to random chance, gate camps, wrong place, wrong time? More than likely. But we should still have the choice whether or not to place a bounty on that certain character/player that deserves it... however we define "deserves."

The reason why I decided to log on and place those 100k Bounties on all those poor poor players was all simply because of the crying and tears in that thread I linked you. I otherwise wouldn't have done it, but because so many people cry so much I decided to throw salt on the wound... and I'll probably do it again.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet

Nastasjjia
The xPlicit Method
#28 - 2012-12-30 08:23:10 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
Nastasjjia wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
Nastasjjia wrote:

And I rest my case. People place bounties just for sh1tz and giggles. Proof from the horses mouth.

At this rate EVERY player in game will have a bounty.

CCP just created something more viral that the ILOVEYOU virus...


And?

I was going to quote it, but decided to let you do a little work.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=184142&p=2

This is working as intended.


I fail to see your point. Its yet another thread full of slightly ticked off players who don't seem to like the system at all, and claim it doesn't work. Probably the 5th one I've seen so far. I

So because one of CCP's developers likes it, it ain't broken? I should hope he likes it... he came up with it! Big smile

He also contributed to coming up with the idea of neutral RR's... insurance fraud via self destruct, and many, many moons ago... Concord hunting. Shocked

That doesn't mean it's working Dude...


The reason why I decided to log on and place those 100k Bounties on all those poor poor players was all simply because of the crying and tears in that thread I linked you. I otherwise wouldn't have done it, but because so many people cry so much I decided to throw salt on the wound... and I'll probably do it again.


Haha. Well said. You want your right to grief. You got it.

However you are sorely outnumbered in this matter. I don't see alot of people agreeing with your God given right to feed on tears.

I've popped more than a few guys in my day. It doesn't give me a right to harass them in game about it.

But I guess that the difference between a Pirate and a Merc... huh? Ethics?P

A  blonde with P.M.S. and a Vindicator is the most powerful force in Eve. Screw the DoomsDay Device. She just figured out how to make blaster rounds out of Estrogen...

Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2012-12-30 08:53:05 UTC
Nastasjjia wrote:

Haha. Well said. You want your right to grief. You got it.

However you are sorely outnumbered in this matter. I don't see alot of people agreeing with your God given right to feed on tears.

I've popped more than a few guys in my day. It doesn't give me a right to harass them in game about it.

But I guess that the difference between a Pirate and a Merc... huh? Ethics?P


Indeed, indeed. But... more of griefed the people on the forums. Those 35 or so players that received that bounty, I didn't then talk about it in local. As soon as I was done I logged. One guy did convo'd me in the middle and asked why, and I explained with respect. You've mistaken me, it's the people who cry first I grief. I don't try to inspire them to cry by calling them out personally, I try not to anyway; I have before, but a couple times maybe? I don't view that as professional and avoid it. As far as actual in-game gameplay is concerned I'm not one to rub my victory in the face of someone who just lost. But if they freak out about it, then yes I will have a field day with that player/character.

Griefing someone in-game isn't harassment, nor is a bounty. The people you popped does give you the right to grief them if you wanted, of course not harass them though.

Pirates and Mercs... I'm not sure either one has ethics, but essentially it all comes down to the money... even over the tears... or maybe that's more old-school Pirate.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet

Nastasjjia
The xPlicit Method
#30 - 2012-12-30 09:01:55 UTC
Well... I guess that's the point to forums right? A place where adults can respectfully discuss opinions without turning it into a flame war?

What we have here is simply just a matter opinion.

You believe that greifing and harassment are two totally different things. I believe they are one and the same.

Long live freedom of speech! But the systems still broken... Blink

A  blonde with P.M.S. and a Vindicator is the most powerful force in Eve. Screw the DoomsDay Device. She just figured out how to make blaster rounds out of Estrogen...

magic preacher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-12-30 11:27:52 UTC
I recommend themes when placing random bounties

for instance go to a busy system and place a bounty on everyones name that begins with "d"

when you get the convo "why did you put a bounty on me"...... "because your name begins with 'd' ;)"

anouther source of fun is to but a bounty on everyone that talks in an incursion channel as you pass through an incursion area

always makes you popular.


Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#32 - 2012-12-30 14:15:06 UTC
Doug Dredd wrote:
I don't understand the problem with the bounty system, I think it is pretty great.

Yes a bounty should be able to be placed on anyone. It allows a small revenge for anything that annoys people, not limited to game actions that you want it limited to.

Besides, it is only a 20% bonus to the attackers over what they would have inflicted in terms of damage on you with whatever you are flying. The total pool doesn't really mean much aside for how many times that bonus can exist in your deaths. I got a 100k bounty on me, which would probably be good for a death or two in my rifter.

Is anyone really getting attacked frequently due to bounties anyway?


If there is a nice amount of bounty on your corp. Say 100 milllion which is small change really but a nice top-up to your wallet. And you are out fleet mining with a few of your corpies then you are going to be a ripe target and liable to be 'discoed'. Smile
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#33 - 2012-12-30 19:04:48 UTC
Etherealclams wrote:
Nastasjjia wrote:
He's right...

I was in Hek the other day and a player put bounties on so many people in system, he was the focal point of local chat for about 30 minutes. He must have spent millions just putting random bounties on random people...

There should be the requirement that in order to place a bounty a player must have popped your ship, flipped your can, messed with your corpies, or war-decced your corp/alliance.

Not the ability to just place bounties on people for sh1tz and giggles. Its such an annoying trend that this is probably the 5th thread I've seen on the subject so far.


There's nothing they can do about it. IMO the only way to fix this whole "bounty for ***** and giggles" Is to have bounties degrade over time. It would have to depend on the amount of the bounty as well, you can't expect people to put a 1 bil bounty on someone if it degrades ( idk 10%? ) a month for a flat rate on all bounties.

Something like this could possibly work:

0-100 mil bounties degrade to 0 over a month. few mil every day
100-500 mil bounties over 6 months. Few mil every week
500-1b+ over a year. These would only degrade a few mil every day? week? Someone do the math for me.

Once a say 550 mil bounty gets to 500 mil it decays more every time. Same for when it gets to 100 mil.

Now this is just a rough idea, nothing that was well thought out. But imo something should be done about the random bounties. I know a bounty doesn't really mean anything other than a reward for your killer, you can't be attacked in hi-sec or anything like that. It's just the fact that everyone will have a bounty on their heads.. it just seems silly.



I....actually like this idea. +1 Pirate

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly

Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#34 - 2012-12-30 19:48:44 UTC
I feel like I have already explained this in 6-7 other threads, but having a bounty on you has zero effect on your game experience unless you choose to focus on it for nerdy RP reasons. The bounty does not equal kill rights, nor is it likely to pay enough to make a gank worthwhile in most cases. In low, null, and w-space, it is completely irrelevant.

There is no way that I have yet heard of that bounties can be used for griefing or harassment. If you can think of a way to use bounties for these purposes, then I challenge you to present it here. Random bounties on strangers, obviously, does not qualify, as it has no actual effect on the recipients, other than a notification in their box.

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Nastasjjia
The xPlicit Method
#35 - 2012-12-30 20:01:14 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
I feel like I have already explained this in 6-7 other threads, but having a bounty on you has zero effect on your game experience unless you choose to focus on it for nerdy RP reasons. The bounty does not equal kill rights, nor is it likely to pay enough to make a gank worthwhile in most cases. In low, null, and w-space, it is completely irrelevant.

There is no way that I have yet heard of that bounties can be used for griefing or harassment. If you can think of a way to use bounties for these purposes, then I challenge you to present it here. Random bounties on strangers, obviously, does not qualify, as it has no actual effect on the recipients, other than a notification in their box.


Challenge accepted.

See post #23 and #24.

The poster of #23 admitted to sitting in a system and just randomly sending out bounties to whomever did not have one... just for the kicks. Just because he knew it amused him, and did not amuse others. Thats a mild form of greifing in itself.

I also saw a post of yours in another thread where you literally threatened another poster if he didn't place a bounty on you...

A  blonde with P.M.S. and a Vindicator is the most powerful force in Eve. Screw the DoomsDay Device. She just figured out how to make blaster rounds out of Estrogen...

Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2012-12-30 23:48:10 UTC
Nastasjjia wrote:
Well... I guess that's the point to forums right? A place where adults can respectfully discuss opinions without turning it into a flame war?

What we have here is simply just a matter opinion.

You believe that greifing and harassment are two totally different things. I believe they are one and the same.

Long live freedom of speech! But the systems still broken... Blink


Fair enough. As far as being able to place bounties on anyone and everyone, I do not see this as broken. Everything else that has to do with the system is up for question.

Nastasjjia wrote:


Challenge accepted.

See post #23 and #24.

The poster of #23 admitted to sitting in a system and just randomly sending out bounties to whomever did not have one... just for the kicks. Just because he knew it amused him, and did not amuse others. Thats a mild form of greifing in itself.

I also saw a post of yours in another thread where you literally threatened another poster if he didn't place a bounty on you...

Oh oh I'm poster number #23!!! Yes it's true I'm guilty of placing random bounties on random people. Although Nastasjjia you're making it sound like I was standing trial or something with me admitting to my crime. I did have a reason, however, for the random bounties. The subsequent "targets" were in fact random as far as location is concerned. But prior to logging in I decided to give to all characters in system that did not already have a bounty ..a bounty.. The reason of course being that other thread were, at this time, people had already started crying about the new bounty system. That inspired me to do the dirty deed.

PS: When I first heard about the new Bounty system I too was a little upset... not for typical reasons I suppose, but because I went out of my way to get my Wanted sign and now just anyone could have one. This feeling was short lived when I realized that it made sense, at least it did to me, to be able to place bounties on whoever for whatever reason and it quickly grew on me.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet

Thegasp Cupcakes
CareBears Gone Dark
#37 - 2013-02-02 20:41:45 UTC
The new bounty system is great, being able to put bounties on pilots that are just outright obnoxious is amazing, and well needed, keep people in their place if they care about their 0 bounty. If I have the isk, i'll bounty someone harassing someone in chat, maybe 100k, maybe 100m, who knows, they don't.

People can just get annoying, I am glad i can place a bounty on them.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-02-03 20:34:56 UTC
Might have been me. I've been placing bounties on EVERYONE I see in various chat channels.

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