EVE General Discussion

Start by stopping the huge subsidies that country A is providing for businesses there? Invest in improved infrastructure to take advantage of the underutilised resources in Country B? Remove unfair arbitrary restrictions imposed on industry in country B?

Seriously, hi-sec industrialists get everything handed to them free of effort, risk and cost. 0.0 industrialists have to provide their own stations, deal with unfair restrictions like only 1 station per system, risk losing their stations and being locked out of their assets there, and then to add insult to injury, pay massive sovereignty bills for the privilege.

You "Country A" types are, to be blunt, frightened silly at the idea of competing on a remotely level playing field. That's the only possible explaination I can think of for opposing the request for that leveling.

On a side note, it's funny how those people making the "heart of civilisation" argument that hi-sec should be better never seem to advocate the other side of that coin. You want hi-sec to have developed-nation superiority of infrastructure? Sure, OK.

You also get to have developed nation tax rates. How does 25% sound?

In regards to the original post.

In all honestly I already have wondered what would happen if say, the entire Nullsec block were to stop ALL selling of ABC minerals to trade hubs and bring industry to it's knees.

I imagine everyone with enough patience would scan down grav sites for those minerals, equip ships with module drops from rats, and as soon as they were able, move into wormholes en mass.

If you were looking for fights, you'd have to scan the buggers down.
If your objective was to force more people to go to lowsec, IMHO only of couse, it would still fail.

To me it would be a personal thing. "We are forcing you to do this" would just become "new objective for the month: find a way around it."

so heres idea for you lowsec people

stop selling all your stuff at jita,right now

dont wait untill ccp does something,be proactive - maybe if you start actually doing something,ccp will notice you

you talk way too much and act way to little

and im not saying this because i have large quantities of low sec ore stored or low sec alts

Thank you, sir, for your succinct breakdown of the issues at hand. There's been a lot of signal to noise on the topic, and i was, frankly, lost. You've cleared things up quite well.

I honestly didn't think null was quite THAT bad. I'm pretty much a highseccer myself, so I have very slim ideas on how it is "across the wire". I'd have no argument at all with a buff to nullsec production. I don't think it should be out the box better than high, but with a little work, there's no reason against a null station outperforming something in high.

Even so, I think the tariff idea should stay in place, even with a buff to null. In the dreaded "real world", tariffs are one way to stabilize a market and leverage production into more "expensive" areas of the world.

Hell, it could be used to encourage more emergent gameplay and gudfites. You JF cargo in and out, expect to pay through the nose for it. Run a highsec-null gate, it's a little cheaper. Go from high, through low, to null, even more cheap. Just collect resources and build right in null, no fees at all. More risk you take, the nicer the reward.

This thread is an entirely different take on the subject, except it's not.

Well, I can safely say you nailed something here.

Player owned structures like station indeed need huge buffs, it's obvious. How will this make null sec better than high sec, no one can define it, only speculate but then we have another of your words that might be or not be a problem, the NBSI or NRDS systems adopted by alliances.

Current situation in null is the major part of industry is done in high sec, materials are shipped from null to high build there and shipped to null "because it's cheaper due to player owned structures", the final good usually should be sold about 10% above Jita price which is not that much or at least an acceptable price but then, you search for that T1 frig and --> 3M O_o

You search whatever cruiser price and 25/40% expensive than jita, let alone T2 fitted ships in between 25 to 60% on top of Jita price so, again where's the problem here? - players living there and applying such prices with fake arguments.
It's also easy to say you can make billions in null, well it's true when you spend most of your day in front of your computer if don't you can't because of obvious reasons, scanning takes time, ratting takes time and and it's often disrupted because of hostiles making your average grunt income lower than running poor over nerf lvl4's in high sec.

It's sad to see how many people moan about high sec and brainlessly ask nerfs without a single time ask themselves if their actions are not a huge part of the problem even if everyone and his dog knows null industry needs buffs.

Then who in hell can tell me how do you get rid of alts who just find some way to put them in enemy station and reprice most needed items 40/50% above jita price? -what impact does this have and what tools does one have to fight this? -NONE

It's not only industry in null who needs a serious revamp, it's a huge part of the game in need of serious revamp and needs to be done all together: industry ->trading ->corporations/alliances interface/tools-> player owned stations tools (tax/clones/etc).
Doing this you offer complete tools for corporations/alliances to make it a better place for industry, a cleaner place for good traders, a good and strong market for locals.

Makes ages people ask CCP to show on market seller name, this might not be a huge improvement in high sec and who cares? -we're talking about null improvements.
There's so much to say about null without even care about highsec or nerf it, this should be the starting point. Nerf high sec because it's too good as excuse it's once again try to solve some problem that isn't one, or at least the most important one in the first place.

The last time an alliance tried that and tolerated neutrals to dock on their stations, some pro null pvp alliances burned providence to the ground and pretty much gave cva das boot

I can hardly see a new huge trade hub grow up in Pure Blind (Sisters of Eve), or Venal (Gursitas/Mordus), each and every single entry system+every single gate leading out of the system perma bble/camp.

MO or EC-PR8 would be jokes close to it ending in yet another fake step, trying to solve a problem that isn't one in the first place.

to make people unlearn to trade everything in jita would take months and trilions of isk you d loose by not selling it at jita,thats impossible to do at this stage of game

Increasing the amount of owner tax by the amount of trading volumes, limit the mass/volume NPC stations can stock, just say'in.